Education, Indoctrination, Stratification

Don H · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 187

Why do we want to learn? It is the Instinct of Curiosity, a natural
process, but now, such Inquisitiveness is linked to Acquisitiveness, by
desire or necessity. Hence we send our kids to Brain Factories, for the
production of Meal Tickets. The stress involved, in competition with
others, can be such as to kill off future curiosity - so you throw away all
books once you leave school.
Our good old politicians have discovered "Education", and any scene in the
schoolyard is good for election prospects. It comes only second to kissing
babies.
But there are schools, and schools.
There are the State Schools, owned and run, 100% by the public, even if
indirectly, via an elected government.
Then there are the Independent Schools, ie. independent of the State -
not proudly so, as they are keen to get as much State funding as they can.
It was good old Bob Menzies who introduced "State Aid for Independent
Schools", knowing it would be a divisive issue which he could use to split
the workers (Prods versus Micks). Whitlam knew the issue was a lost cause,
and went Me-Too on it. Since which time, Me-Tooism has become a Labor
tactic.
Education is "leading out", encouragement of curiosity.
Indoctrination is the pumping in, of doctrine.
Stratification is not so much about instruction, but snob value - the
old-school tie syndrome, evidence of wealth, and avoidance of Mummy's
Darling associating with Riff-Raff.
Where are the Rights of the Child in all this? Nowhere to be seen. It
is parents, or teachers, or schools - but mostly voters, which are the main
consideration. Why should any child be inculcated with the errors or
snobbery of its parents?
Most schools nowadays teach much the same subjects, and in much the
same way - except where religion is concerned. Secular topics are open to
criticism and alternative views, but not religion. Why? Because if it was,
it would fall apart? So, in an Age of Terrorism, and the three RRRs (Raving
Religious Ratbags) we not only allow segregation by religion, but even grant
State Aid for its encouragement. Alright, it seems unfair to deny those
schools aid "merely" because of religious faith, but some strings should be
attached - like (a) not allowing dubious beliefs to be taught as absolutes,
and exempt from criticism and research, and (b) not allowing them taught to
exclusion of rival creeds.
Again, who owns the Independent Schools? Are they owned and run by
parents? Or is Property Title vested in the Religious Establishment, or
whoever?
Yes, let's have a real Education Revolution!

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Stan Pierce · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 1

"Don H" wrote in message $CN4.9262@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
(snipped)
> Most schools nowadays teach much the same subjects, and in much the
> same way - .

No they don't. It would be an easy task if it were so.

' Subjects' are not being taught. *ATTITUDES * to subjects are being
taught.

The attitudes are the attitudes towards social conditioning according to the
Gramsci method. In other words, instead of the Christian religious ethic
being the basic tenet behind all social moulding, they are teaching a
secular communistic 'free lifestyle' attitude to everything. We used to
call it anarchy years ago. Now it is being taught as a philosophy of
behaviour.

Subjects are not taught in isolation but as a 'relation' to how it fits into
the communistic world view. This is why for instance you have so called
scientists not able to be empirical in their science but make it into an *
attitude* about how the science should be carried out. This happened in
Russia in the 1930s and was a disaster for them.

Try and change this mental disease and see how the Teacher Unions will jump
on you as an heretic. There are no Mr. Chips anymore. You have an army
of female Gramsciites called school teachers.

James · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

The Russians believed in Lamark's theory of acquired characteristics
being inherited and the consequence was famine. I have not seem much
communist ideology in schools despite some left over teachers from that
era, just look at the primarcy school windows, "What I want to be when I
grow up", it is all rich capitalism, Marx is dead in primary schools,
kids do not want to be artists or scientists or contribute to the
greater good, they want to have the latest playstation, fast cars and be
accountants or lawyers, make lots of money the greedy little sods are
being taught to aspire to wealth as the ultimate goal of education, not
learning or knowledge.

I believe Don is basically correct having been a publisher's
representative and travelled to secondary schools and universities all
across Australia, there is no national secondary curriculum but in TAFE
it is standard competency based training devoid of any thought. The
unemployed are being pushed into these courses. Can you tie your
shoelaces? Yep Ok you pass.

It is much the same in secondary education, especially when it comes to
Christian education. How many apostles were there.12 Yep OK you pass.
Why did Jesus die on the cross? Because he loves us. Ok you pass. What
drivel these kids learn and most of them will never recover from it or
be curious enough to get a real education themselves.

Why should the state support fictional beliefs in education which should
be non-secular by law in some states. In an age of terrorism based on
religious ideology that the perpetrator of violence against others will
live in paradise with Allah, we have a right to demand that funding is
withdrawn from Islamic and Christian schools for our own safety. The
Christians are no better than Islam with their concept of a just war. We
have repressive University lecturers running around with Religious
vilification laws trying to stop us being critical of archaic
superstitions. the Bracks' Racial and Religious vilification act would
jail me for six months for serious ridicule of a religion, yet the
public fund all ridiculous fictional beliefs which inevitably leads to
conflict. If cows could draw they would draw Gods in the image of cows.

http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Religion/Vilification.html#skipnav

A recent study by Murdoch and ACER showed that less that 3% of primary
school student's time is spent on science, a national disgrace for an
egotistical "clever country". You have to be as Don said very curious to
get your own education, because you won't get it in most Australian
schools. I was lucky I had a "Mr chips" a Canadian exchange teacher
Floyd Devore (God Bless him Smile

who literally smuggled books on Darwin
evolution and other religions into the Catholic school I attended, I was
suspended for questioning the "good religious work of the school",
questioning the bible basically, a badge of honour in my opinion, though
it does not help employment prospects to think for yourself and question
the divinity of Jesus in this country.

A real education involves some critical capacity to be sceptical to
question with curiosity or even being cynical, but to know a method to
discover the truth, scientific method, replication of results, peer
review and statictical anlaysis. Science in Victorian Universities is in
an bad way IMHO. Scientific method seems to many universities like
Swinburne to be whatever they are paid to do they will find the result
the funding is seeking. When I criticized their simulator studies on
drug driver research paid for by Victoria Police, they told me to "get
in touch with my spiritual side" When I did validation studies of
University websites they said "do not contact us again". In retrospect I
should have called my uneconomical hoby angelpress.com and praised Jesus
just for the financial benefit of the sycophantic adoration of acient
dogma, but you do what you have to do and I am still skinny enough to
still fit through the eye of a needle.

http://www.hereticpress.com/Editorial.html#TrafficScum

They already jump on me as a "heretic" Stan, I am getting used to the
diet of bread and water. Any semi intelligent work appropriate for a
heretic would be appreciated.

http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Resume/TJAResume.html

Tim
http://www.hereticpress.com

Stan Pierce wrote:
> "Don H" wrote in message
> $CN4.9262@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> (snipped)
>
>> Most schools nowadays teach much the same subjects, and in much the
>>same way - .
>
>
> No they don't. It would be an easy task if it were so.
>
> ' Subjects' are not being taught. *ATTITUDES * to subjects are being
> taught.
>
> The attitudes are the attitudes towards social conditioning according
to the
> Gramsci method. In other words, instead of the Christian religious
ethic
> being the basic tenet behind all social moulding, they are teaching a
> secular communistic 'free lifestyle' attitude to everything. We
used to
> call it anarchy years ago. Now it is being taught as a philosophy of
> behaviour.
>
> Subjects are not taught in isolation but as a 'relation' to how it
fits into
> the communistic world view. This is why for instance you have so
called
> scientists not able to be empirical in their science but make it into
an *
> attitude* about how the science should be carried out. This
happened in
> Russia in the 1930s and was a disaster for them.
>
> Try and change this mental disease and see how the Teacher Unions
will jump
> on you as an heretic. There are no Mr. Chips anymore. You have
an army
> of female Gramsciites called school teachers.
>
>

Stan Pierce wrote:
> "Don H" wrote in message
> $CN4.9262@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> (snipped)
>
>> Most schools nowadays teach much the same subjects, and in much the
>>same way - .
>
>
> No they don't. It would be an easy task if it were so.
>
> ' Subjects' are not being taught. *ATTITUDES * to subjects are being
> taught.
>
> The attitudes are the attitudes towards social conditioning according to the
> Gramsci method. In other words, instead of the Christian religious ethic
> being the basic tenet behind all social moulding, they are teaching a
> secular communistic 'free lifestyle' attitude to everything. We used to
> call it anarchy years ago. Now it is being taught as a philosophy of
> behaviour.
>
> Subjects are not taught in isolation but as a 'relation' to how it fits into
> the communistic world view. This is why for instance you have so called
> scientists not able to be empirical in their science but make it into an *
> attitude* about how the science should be carried out. This happened in
> Russia in the 1930s and was a disaster for them.
>
> Try and change this mental disease and see how the Teacher Unions will jump
> on you as an heretic. There are no Mr. Chips anymore. You have an army
> of female Gramsciites called school teachers.
>
>