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David Segall



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
procedures clear here:
http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
school. I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
than those who have done well at school?

"satan" wrote:

>The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
>which promised to put an end to
>"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
>the price of electricity to pensioners in order
>to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
>no problems with public schools engaging in
>class discrimination.
>
>After the following posting was made, and e-mail
>was send to his office in which he was asked if
>his position was misrepresented.
>
>Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
>for an answer the opportunity was given to the
>Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
>to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
>Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
>given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
>should not be made available to others.
>
>= Previous Posting starts here =====
>It is interesting to hear the new leader of
>the Labor Party talking about the fact that
>he was raised in the Housing Commission and
>the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
>
>What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
>the so called opportunities available to him
>were under previous Liberal Governments in
>NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
>
>Now, lets see, how keen is the current
>Labor Government in Victoria to create the
>same opportunities for children living in
>Housing Commission here in Victoria:
>
>Real case not some fictitious example:
>
>A child's enrolment application to the
>University High School and living in the
>North Melbourne Housing Commission was
>rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
>Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
>the child in question has been attending
>Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
>across the street from University High School
>for the past seven years and his place of residence
>is placed at equal distance from the above
>mentioned institutions.
>
>
>However, University High School has no problems
>accepting students living in the following areas:
>South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
>Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
>and so on, and I am not referring to
>the accelerated program.
>
>And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
>this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
>the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
>Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
>to the Regional Director of
>Western Metropolitan Region of the
>Department of Education and Training,
>to the actual creature which put in place this
>discriminatory policy and is currently
>endorsed by the Labor Pary.
>
>The minion in her office mentioned that there are
>many students that living in public housing and
>attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
>you see, his best friend for the past seven years
>whom is living across the street was accepted
>without problems, the only difference is that his
>friend is not living in public housing.
>
>On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
>the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
>always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
>on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
>Bracks Government financed an arts project in
>derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
>is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
>towards the disadvantaged,
>send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
>
>So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
>they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
>get into office, they do create opportunities
>for themselves ONLY.
>

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satan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:51 pm    Post subject: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
which promised to put an end to
"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
the price of electricity to pensioners in order
to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
no problems with public schools engaging in
class discrimination.

After the following posting was made, and e-mail
was send to his office in which he was asked if
his position was misrepresented.

Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
for an answer the opportunity was given to the
Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
should not be made available to others.

= Previous Posting starts here =====
It is interesting to hear the new leader of
the Labor Party talking about the fact that
he was raised in the Housing Commission and
the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.

What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
the so called opportunities available to him
were under previous Liberal Governments in
NSW and at the Commonwealth level.

Now, lets see, how keen is the current
Labor Government in Victoria to create the
same opportunities for children living in
Housing Commission here in Victoria:

Real case not some fictitious example:

A child's enrolment application to the
University High School and living in the
North Melbourne Housing Commission was
rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
the child in question has been attending
Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
across the street from University High School
for the past seven years and his place of residence
is placed at equal distance from the above
mentioned institutions.


However, University High School has no problems
accepting students living in the following areas:
South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
and so on, and I am not referring to
the accelerated program.

And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
to the Regional Director of
Western Metropolitan Region of the
Department of Education and Training,
to the actual creature which put in place this
discriminatory policy and is currently
endorsed by the Labor Pary.

The minion in her office mentioned that there are
many students that living in public housing and
attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
you see, his best friend for the past seven years
whom is living across the street was accepted
without problems, the only difference is that his
friend is not living in public housing.

On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
Bracks Government financed an arts project in
derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
towards the disadvantaged,
send them underground, out of sight out of mind.

So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
get into office, they do create opportunities
for themselves ONLY.
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satan



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

Wrong, University High School has been accepting students from
suburbs such as Kensington Banks, South Bank, Epping, Essendon
and would you believe it Hoopers Crossing, not on the so called
merit, just on normal application, and I challange anyone to prove that
South Bank is closer than Melrose Street, North Melbourne.

The "boundary" dimension was introduced to discriminate against
students from disadvantaged backgrounds, I can prove it using
normal Magistrates Courts metrics (using the balance of probabilities).

"David Segall" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
> geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
> you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
> procedures clear here:
> http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
> you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
> actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
> school.

An appeal was made, long time ago.


I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
> child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
> you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
> altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
> than those who have done well at school?

the child in question is doing quite well with respect to his academic
performance, and
I wish that they would have used the academic performance as a metric for
admision
because then there would be no need for these and future postings.



>
> "satan" wrote:
>
> >The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
> >which promised to put an end to
> >"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
> >the price of electricity to pensioners in order
> >to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
> >no problems with public schools engaging in
> >class discrimination.
> >
> >After the following posting was made, and e-mail
> >was send to his office in which he was asked if
> >his position was misrepresented.
> >
> >Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
> >for an answer the opportunity was given to the
> >Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
> >to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
> >Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
> >given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
> >should not be made available to others.
> >
> >= Previous Posting starts here =====
> >It is interesting to hear the new leader of
> >the Labor Party talking about the fact that
> >he was raised in the Housing Commission and
> >the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
> >
> >What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
> >the so called opportunities available to him
> >were under previous Liberal Governments in
> >NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
> >
> >Now, lets see, how keen is the current
> >Labor Government in Victoria to create the
> >same opportunities for children living in
> >Housing Commission here in Victoria:
> >
> >Real case not some fictitious example:
> >
> >A child's enrolment application to the
> >University High School and living in the
> >North Melbourne Housing Commission was
> >rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
> >Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
> >the child in question has been attending
> >Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
> >across the street from University High School
> >for the past seven years and his place of residence
> >is placed at equal distance from the above
> >mentioned institutions.
> >
> >
> >However, University High School has no problems
> >accepting students living in the following areas:
> >South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
> >Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
> >and so on, and I am not referring to
> >the accelerated program.
> >
> >And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
> >this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
> >the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
> >Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
> >to the Regional Director of
> >Western Metropolitan Region of the
> >Department of Education and Training,
> >to the actual creature which put in place this
> >discriminatory policy and is currently
> >endorsed by the Labor Pary.
> >
> >The minion in her office mentioned that there are
> >many students that living in public housing and
> >attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
> >you see, his best friend for the past seven years
> >whom is living across the street was accepted
> >without problems, the only difference is that his
> >friend is not living in public housing.
> >
> >On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
> >the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
> >always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
> >on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
> >Bracks Government financed an arts project in
> >derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
> >is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
> >towards the disadvantaged,
> >send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
> >
> >So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
> >they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
> >get into office, they do create opportunities
> >for themselves ONLY.
> >
>
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David Segall



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

"satan" wrote:

>Wrong, University High School has been accepting students from
>suburbs such as Kensington Banks, South Bank, Epping, Essendon
>and would you believe it Hoopers Crossing, not on the so called
>merit, just on normal application, and I challange anyone to prove that
>South Bank is closer than Melrose Street, North Melbourne.
>
>The "boundary" dimension was introduced to discriminate against
>students from disadvantaged backgrounds, I can prove it using
>normal Magistrates Courts metrics (using the balance of probabilities).
University High openly admits that they would accept a student from
Mildura if they were willing to commute daily and were sufficiently
academically superior to other applicants. If you can demonstrate that
the child you site lives closer to UHS than any other secondary school
or is academically superior to any other student (who does not pay
fees) then you will win an appeal to obtain entry to the school.

>
>"David Segall" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
>> geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
>> you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
>> procedures clear here:
>> http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
>> you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
>> actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
>> school.
>
>An appeal was made, long time ago.
>
>
>I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
>> child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
>> you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
>> altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
>> than those who have done well at school?
>
>the child in question is doing quite well with respect to his academic
>performance, and
>I wish that they would have used the academic performance as a metric for
>admision
>because then there would be no need for these and future postings.
>
>
>
>>
>> "satan" wrote:
>>
>> >The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
>> >which promised to put an end to
>> >"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
>> >the price of electricity to pensioners in order
>> >to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
>> >no problems with public schools engaging in
>> >class discrimination.
>> >
>> >After the following posting was made, and e-mail
>> >was send to his office in which he was asked if
>> >his position was misrepresented.
>> >
>> >Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
>> >for an answer the opportunity was given to the
>> >Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
>> >to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
>> >Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
>> >given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
>> >should not be made available to others.
>> >
>> >= Previous Posting starts here =====
>> >It is interesting to hear the new leader of
>> >the Labor Party talking about the fact that
>> >he was raised in the Housing Commission and
>> >the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
>> >
>> >What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
>> >the so called opportunities available to him
>> >were under previous Liberal Governments in
>> >NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
>> >
>> >Now, lets see, how keen is the current
>> >Labor Government in Victoria to create the
>> >same opportunities for children living in
>> >Housing Commission here in Victoria:
>> >
>> >Real case not some fictitious example:
>> >
>> >A child's enrolment application to the
>> >University High School and living in the
>> >North Melbourne Housing Commission was
>> >rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
>> >Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
>> >the child in question has been attending
>> >Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
>> >across the street from University High School
>> >for the past seven years and his place of residence
>> >is placed at equal distance from the above
>> >mentioned institutions.
>> >
>> >
>> >However, University High School has no problems
>> >accepting students living in the following areas:
>> >South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
>> >Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
>> >and so on, and I am not referring to
>> >the accelerated program.
>> >
>> >And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
>> >this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
>> >the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
>> >Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
>> >to the Regional Director of
>> >Western Metropolitan Region of the
>> >Department of Education and Training,
>> >to the actual creature which put in place this
>> >discriminatory policy and is currently
>> >endorsed by the Labor Pary.
>> >
>> >The minion in her office mentioned that there are
>> >many students that living in public housing and
>> >attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
>> >you see, his best friend for the past seven years
>> >whom is living across the street was accepted
>> >without problems, the only difference is that his
>> >friend is not living in public housing.
>> >
>> >On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
>> >the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
>> >always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
>> >on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
>> >Bracks Government financed an arts project in
>> >derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
>> >is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
>> >towards the disadvantaged,
>> >send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
>> >
>> >So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
>> >they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
>> >get into office, they do create opportunities
>> >for themselves ONLY.
>> >
>>
>
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

"satan" wrote:

>
>"David Segall" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> "satan" wrote:
>>
>> >Wrong, University High School has been accepting students from
>> >suburbs such as Kensington Banks, South Bank, Epping, Essendon
>> >and would you believe it Hoopers Crossing, not on the so called
>> >merit, just on normal application, and I challange anyone to prove that
>> >South Bank is closer than Melrose Street, North Melbourne.
>> >
>> >The "boundary" dimension was introduced to discriminate against
>> >students from disadvantaged backgrounds, I can prove it using
>> >normal Magistrates Courts metrics (using the balance of probabilities).
>> University High openly admits that they would accept a student from
>> Mildura if they were willing to commute daily and were sufficiently
>> academically superior to other applicants. If you can demonstrate that
>> the child you site lives closer to UHS than any other secondary school
>> or is academically superior to any other student (who does not pay
>> fees) then you will win an appeal to obtain entry to the school.
>
>I had to check first, this is why it was not included in the
>previous reply.
>With respect to your inference to "voluntary" fees,
Woops! I seem to have stepped into a minefield. My reference to fee
paying was to make it clear that some overseas students were treated
on a different basis to local ones. I have absolutely no knowledge of
your dealings with North Melbourne Primary School.
> it is dishonest just
>to raise it without mentioning the following:

>Once the Principal of North Melbourne Primary School Mr. Terry Lawless
>has made the decision to do away with school books, he was informed in
>writing, make no mistake in writing, that the "voluntary" contribution which
>Mr. Bracks promised to abolish (this is another story, which will be kept
>for
>the next State Election) will be witheld until he reverses his decision with
>respect to the school books, this is why Mr. Terry Lawless at no point has
>mentioned to raise the issue again.
>
>Now, I will try to get in touch with Mr. Terry Lawless and ask him why he
>has such selective memory and somehow forgot to mention that the
>offer was made to him, which he, Mr. Terry Lawless has declined.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >"David Segall" wrote in message
>> >@4ax.com...
>> >> You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
>> >> geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
>> >> you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
>> >> procedures clear here:
>> >> http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
>> >> you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
>> >> actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
>> >> school.
>> >
>> >An appeal was made, long time ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
>> >> child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
>> >> you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
>> >> altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
>> >> than those who have done well at school?
>> >
>> >the child in question is doing quite well with respect to his academic
>> >performance, and
>> >I wish that they would have used the academic performance as a metric for
>> >admision
>> >because then there would be no need for these and future postings.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "satan" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
>> >> >which promised to put an end to
>> >> >"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
>> >> >the price of electricity to pensioners in order
>> >> >to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
>> >> >no problems with public schools engaging in
>> >> >class discrimination.
>> >> >
>> >> >After the following posting was made, and e-mail
>> >> >was send to his office in which he was asked if
>> >> >his position was misrepresented.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
>> >> >for an answer the opportunity was given to the
>> >> >Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
>> >> >to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
>> >> >Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
>> >> >given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
>> >> >should not be made available to others.
>> >> >
>> >> >= Previous Posting starts here =====
>> >> >It is interesting to hear the new leader of
>> >> >the Labor Party talking about the fact that
>> >> >he was raised in the Housing Commission and
>> >> >the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
>> >> >
>> >> >What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
>> >> >the so called opportunities available to him
>> >> >were under previous Liberal Governments in
>> >> >NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
>> >> >
>> >> >Now, lets see, how keen is the current
>> >> >Labor Government in Victoria to create the
>> >> >same opportunities for children living in
>> >> >Housing Commission here in Victoria:
>> >> >
>> >> >Real case not some fictitious example:
>> >> >
>> >> >A child's enrolment application to the
>> >> >University High School and living in the
>> >> >North Melbourne Housing Commission was
>> >> >rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
>> >> >Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
>> >> >the child in question has been attending
>> >> >Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
>> >> >across the street from University High School
>> >> >for the past seven years and his place of residence
>> >> >is placed at equal distance from the above
>> >> >mentioned institutions.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >However, University High School has no problems
>> >> >accepting students living in the following areas:
>> >> >South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
>> >> >Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
>> >> >and so on, and I am not referring to
>> >> >the accelerated program.
>> >> >
>> >> >And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
>> >> >this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
>> >> >the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
>> >> >Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
>> >> >to the Regional Director of
>> >> >Western Metropolitan Region of the
>> >> >Department of Education and Training,
>> >> >to the actual creature which put in place this
>> >> >discriminatory policy and is currently
>> >> >endorsed by the Labor Pary.
>> >> >
>> >> >The minion in her office mentioned that there are
>> >> >many students that living in public housing and
>> >> >attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
>> >> >you see, his best friend for the past seven years
>> >> >whom is living across the street was accepted
>> >> >without problems, the only difference is that his
>> >> >friend is not living in public housing.
>> >> >
>> >> >On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
>> >> >the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
>> >> >always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
>> >> >on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
>> >> >Bracks Government financed an arts project in
>> >> >derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
>> >> >is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
>> >> >towards the disadvantaged,
>> >> >send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
>> >> >
>> >> >So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
>> >> >they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
>> >> >get into office, they do create opportunities
>> >> >for themselves ONLY.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

"David Segall" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> "satan" wrote:
>
> >Wrong, University High School has been accepting students from
> >suburbs such as Kensington Banks, South Bank, Epping, Essendon
> >and would you believe it Hoopers Crossing, not on the so called
> >merit, just on normal application, and I challange anyone to prove that
> >South Bank is closer than Melrose Street, North Melbourne.
> >
> >The "boundary" dimension was introduced to discriminate against
> >students from disadvantaged backgrounds, I can prove it using
> >normal Magistrates Courts metrics (using the balance of probabilities).

> University High openly admits that they would accept a student from
> Mildura if they were willing to commute daily and were sufficiently
> academically superior to other applicants. If you can demonstrate that
> the child you site lives closer to UHS than any other secondary school
> or is academically superior to any other student (who does not pay
> fees) then you will win an appeal to obtain entry to the school.
>

Only if all current students at UHS will be subject to the same selection
criteria.
This is the class discrimination that I have referred to in the initial
posting,
applicants from Public Housing have to face extra hurdles, which other
applicants do not have to face, and to give you
an example, in the case of a student living in Kensington Banks was not an
issue, his enrolment application was accepted, no questions asked, no
extra hurdles.

However, I was told something about Federal Magistrates, currently I am
looking into it. It has something to do with class action, my friend will
tell me more.

> >
> >"David Segall" wrote in message
> >@4ax.com...
> >> You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
> >> geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
> >> you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
> >> procedures clear here:
> >> http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
> >> you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
> >> actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
> >> school.
> >
> >An appeal was made, long time ago.
> >
> >
> >I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
> >> child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
> >> you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
> >> altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
> >> than those who have done well at school?
> >
> >the child in question is doing quite well with respect to his academic
> >performance, and
> >I wish that they would have used the academic performance as a metric for
> >admision
> >because then there would be no need for these and future postings.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "satan" wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
> >> >which promised to put an end to
> >> >"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
> >> >the price of electricity to pensioners in order
> >> >to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
> >> >no problems with public schools engaging in
> >> >class discrimination.
> >> >
> >> >After the following posting was made, and e-mail
> >> >was send to his office in which he was asked if
> >> >his position was misrepresented.
> >> >
> >> >Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
> >> >for an answer the opportunity was given to the
> >> >Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
> >> >to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
> >> >Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
> >> >given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
> >> >should not be made available to others.
> >> >
> >> >= Previous Posting starts here =====
> >> >It is interesting to hear the new leader of
> >> >the Labor Party talking about the fact that
> >> >he was raised in the Housing Commission and
> >> >the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
> >> >
> >> >What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
> >> >the so called opportunities available to him
> >> >were under previous Liberal Governments in
> >> >NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
> >> >
> >> >Now, lets see, how keen is the current
> >> >Labor Government in Victoria to create the
> >> >same opportunities for children living in
> >> >Housing Commission here in Victoria:
> >> >
> >> >Real case not some fictitious example:
> >> >
> >> >A child's enrolment application to the
> >> >University High School and living in the
> >> >North Melbourne Housing Commission was
> >> >rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
> >> >Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
> >> >the child in question has been attending
> >> >Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
> >> >across the street from University High School
> >> >for the past seven years and his place of residence
> >> >is placed at equal distance from the above
> >> >mentioned institutions.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >However, University High School has no problems
> >> >accepting students living in the following areas:
> >> >South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
> >> >Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
> >> >and so on, and I am not referring to
> >> >the accelerated program.
> >> >
> >> >And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
> >> >this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
> >> >the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
> >> >Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
> >> >to the Regional Director of
> >> >Western Metropolitan Region of the
> >> >Department of Education and Training,
> >> >to the actual creature which put in place this
> >> >discriminatory policy and is currently
> >> >endorsed by the Labor Pary.
> >> >
> >> >The minion in her office mentioned that there are
> >> >many students that living in public housing and
> >> >attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
> >> >you see, his best friend for the past seven years
> >> >whom is living across the street was accepted
> >> >without problems, the only difference is that his
> >> >friend is not living in public housing.
> >> >
> >> >On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
> >> >the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
> >> >always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
> >> >on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
> >> >Bracks Government financed an arts project in
> >> >derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
> >> >is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
> >> >towards the disadvantaged,
> >> >send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
> >> >
> >> >So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
> >> >they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
> >> >get into office, they do create opportunities
> >> >for themselves ONLY.
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Bracks endorses class discrimination Reply with quote

"David Segall" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> "satan" wrote:
>
> >Wrong, University High School has been accepting students from
> >suburbs such as Kensington Banks, South Bank, Epping, Essendon
> >and would you believe it Hoopers Crossing, not on the so called
> >merit, just on normal application, and I challange anyone to prove that
> >South Bank is closer than Melrose Street, North Melbourne.
> >
> >The "boundary" dimension was introduced to discriminate against
> >students from disadvantaged backgrounds, I can prove it using
> >normal Magistrates Courts metrics (using the balance of probabilities).
> University High openly admits that they would accept a student from
> Mildura if they were willing to commute daily and were sufficiently
> academically superior to other applicants. If you can demonstrate that
> the child you site lives closer to UHS than any other secondary school
> or is academically superior to any other student (who does not pay
> fees) then you will win an appeal to obtain entry to the school.

I had to check first, this is why it was not included in the
previous reply.
With respect to your inference to "voluntary" fees, it is dishonest just
to raise it without mentioning the following:

Once the Principal of North Melbourne Primary School Mr. Terry Lawless
has made the decision to do away with school books, he was informed in
writing, make no mistake in writing, that the "voluntary" contribution which
Mr. Bracks promised to abolish (this is another story, which will be kept
for
the next State Election) will be witheld until he reverses his decision with
respect to the school books, this is why Mr. Terry Lawless at no point has
mentioned to raise the issue again.

Now, I will try to get in touch with Mr. Terry Lawless and ask him why he
has such selective memory and somehow forgot to mention that the
offer was made to him, which he, Mr. Terry Lawless has declined.


>
> >
> >"David Segall" wrote in message
> >@4ax.com...
> >> You are well aware that University High selects students outside it's
> >> geographic zone based on their academic merit. Presumably that is why
> >> you are so upset that the child was not admitted. They make their
> >> procedures clear here:
> >> http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/enrolment/year7.htm. They even advise
> >> you how to appeal. One of the grounds for appeal is if the child
> >> actually lives closer to University High than any other secondary
> >> school.
> >
> >An appeal was made, long time ago.
> >
> >
> >I'm sure every politician, state and federal, regrets that the
> >> child failed to get in but what do you expect them to do about it? Are
> >> you suggesting that University High's admission policy should be
> >> altered to favour children from Housing Commission apartments rather
> >> than those who have done well at school?
> >
> >the child in question is doing quite well with respect to his academic
> >performance, and
> >I wish that they would have used the academic performance as a metric for
> >admision
> >because then there would be no need for these and future postings.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "satan" wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Parliamentary Leader of the Labor Party
> >> >which promised to put an end to
> >> >"wasteful consultancies" and ended up increasing
> >> >the price of electricity to pensioners in order
> >> >to pay for his own wasteful consultancies has
> >> >no problems with public schools engaging in
> >> >class discrimination.
> >> >
> >> >After the following posting was made, and e-mail
> >> >was send to his office in which he was asked if
> >> >his position was misrepresented.
> >> >
> >> >Mind you that I wasn't going to hold my breath
> >> >for an answer the opportunity was given to the
> >> >Mr. Bracks to clarify his position with respect
> >> >to the issues raised in the posting and apparently
> >> >Mr Bracks has no problems with it after all the opportunities
> >> >given to him and his mates by previous Liberal Governments
> >> >should not be made available to others.
> >> >
> >> >= Previous Posting starts here =====
> >> >It is interesting to hear the new leader of
> >> >the Labor Party talking about the fact that
> >> >he was raised in the Housing Commission and
> >> >the so called opportunities created by Labor for him.
> >> >
> >> >What Mr. Latham forgot to say is that most of
> >> >the so called opportunities available to him
> >> >were under previous Liberal Governments in
> >> >NSW and at the Commonwealth level.
> >> >
> >> >Now, lets see, how keen is the current
> >> >Labor Government in Victoria to create the
> >> >same opportunities for children living in
> >> >Housing Commission here in Victoria:
> >> >
> >> >Real case not some fictitious example:
> >> >
> >> >A child's enrolment application to the
> >> >University High School and living in the
> >> >North Melbourne Housing Commission was
> >> >rejected on the basis that he lives "closer" to
> >> >Debney Park Secondary School, which is rubbish,
> >> >the child in question has been attending
> >> >Errol Street Primary School which is virtually
> >> >across the street from University High School
> >> >for the past seven years and his place of residence
> >> >is placed at equal distance from the above
> >> >mentioned institutions.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >However, University High School has no problems
> >> >accepting students living in the following areas:
> >> >South Bank, Essendon, Kensington, Flemington,
> >> >Flemington Banks, Epping, Hoopers Crossing
> >> >and so on, and I am not referring to
> >> >the accelerated program.
> >> >
> >> >And the Bracks Government is quite comfortable with
> >> >this discriminatory policy, because when the office of
> >> >the Local representative in the State Parliament was contacted,
> >> >Hon. Bronwyn Pyke, it referred the issue
> >> >to the Regional Director of
> >> >Western Metropolitan Region of the
> >> >Department of Education and Training,
> >> >to the actual creature which put in place this
> >> >discriminatory policy and is currently
> >> >endorsed by the Labor Pary.
> >> >
> >> >The minion in her office mentioned that there are
> >> >many students that living in public housing and
> >> >attend University High School, which is a Labor LIE,
> >> >you see, his best friend for the past seven years
> >> >whom is living across the street was accepted
> >> >without problems, the only difference is that his
> >> >friend is not living in public housing.
> >> >
> >> >On the other hand Mr. Bracks can draw comfort from
> >> >the fact that the Stateline program on ABC will
> >> >always sing its praises, you see, the Stateline
> >> >on ABC was quick to point out the fact that the
> >> >Bracks Government financed an arts project in
> >> >derelict car parks around Collingwood, which
> >> >is saying a lot about Labor's attitude
> >> >towards the disadvantaged,
> >> >send them underground, out of sight out of mind.
> >> >
> >> >So ladies and gentlemen, be aware of LABOR bullshit,
> >> >they will lie to you, they will say anything just to
> >> >get into office, they do create opportunities
> >> >for themselves ONLY.
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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