Howard confused about teaching History - Wants to teach Fai

fasgnadh · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

RodneyK wrote:
> Alicia wrote:
>> "fasgnadh" wrote in message
>> $0$23753$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Prime Minister's push to overhaul the teaching of history,
>>> is making him look silly as the Commonwealth is already
>>> spending millions of dollars to teach what he's complaining
>>> is not taught! B^D
>>>
>>>
>>> "Australia Day: PM wants new history"
>>> - The Herald Sun 26/1/2006
>>>
>>> In 1984 they rewrote New History every day!
>>>
>>> Howard is always trying to rewrite history to
>>> suit his White Eyepatch view, but this latest
>>> outburst show he is either out of touch or
>>> is doing a little of the Dog Whistling he is
>>> famous for;
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mr Howard condemned teachers yesterday for focusing
>>> on abstract themes at the expense of the timeline of
>>> history.
>>>
>>> "Too often, it is taught without any sense of structured
>>> narrative, replaced by a fragmented stew of themes
>>> and issues," he said.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Mr Howard said it was ridiculous to think history could
>>> be taught without students knowing when the Battle of
>>> Hastings was fought (1066) or when Captain Cook arrived
>>> in Australia (1770)."
>>>
>>> The PM's emphassis on Date's and Timelines seems odd,
>>> as these certainly are taught already.. has he had a look
>>> at the VCE History Exam? B^p
>>>
>>> BTW: The Battle of Hastings is ENGLISH History, not Australian
>>> History! BD
>>>
>>> What's more, his concern that students are taught
>>> Themes, such as Australians at War , and issues,
>>> such as Anzac Day, bring those dates ALIVE for young
>>> students.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kate Cameron, the immediate past national president of the History
>>> Teachers' Association, says Mr Howard of all people should know the
>>> Commonwealth has invested millions of dollars into the teaching of
>>
>> history.
>>
>>> She says the prime minister will soon realise his claims that young
>>> people do not have a full understanding of Australian history are
>>
>> unfounded.
>>
>>> "Well, I don't know what he would base that assertion upon - he just
>>> said it was obvious to him but he didn't explain what his sources were
>>> about how obvious it was," Ms Cameron told ABC Radio.
>>>
>>> "I think he's going to be extremely embarrassed when he realises that
>>> his own government has poured millions of dollars into providing
>>> wonderful teaching resources and professional development opportunities
>>> ... to promote the teaching of Australian history."
>>>
>>>
>>> Whats more, it is through looking at Gallipoli, and Kokoda
>>> that Australian Values such as mateship and self sacrifice
>>> are explored!
>>>
>>> The PM is also contradicting himself because elsewhere he claims
>>> teaching those values IS important.. (Is he getting Past It?)! B^p
>>>
>>> "At the National Press Club in Canberra today, John Howard talked about
>>> the balance between maintaining Australian values, and allowing sections
>>> of the community to express their culture and beliefs."
>>>
>>> So how do we teach what those Australian values are unless
>>> we teach the about Simpson, and the Anzac tradition,
>>> themes of Mateship and loyalty.. rather than the Date
>>> which King Fauntleroy ascended to the British throne!?
>>> (After all, they are all pretenders after the French
>>> Bastard ascended the throne! B^0
>>>
>>>
>>> It also sounds as if The PM wants to teach beliefs, HIS beliefs,
>>> rather than teaching facts and letting students decide for
>>> themselves what they believe in.... he sounds more like a
>>> Cardinal discussin RE classes, or a Mullah in a Madrassa,
>>> than the PM of a secular education system;
>>>
>>> "We should have faith in what we have achieved and what we have become,"
>>> he said.
>>>
>>> "The Howard vision for teaching would cover
>>> indigenous history, the influence of the West
>>> and the stories of nations who fed European settlement."
>>>
>>> But thats simply a strategy for excluding some immigrants
>>> in favour of the PM's ethnic group!
>>>
>>> His prescription, Dates and Timelines, would mean NOTHING
>>> would be taught in the proposed 'indigenous history' other
>>> than some distant arrival date and White Settlement.
>>>
>>> Indigenous history is not about dates and timelines, so his
>>> call to have more of 1066 and All That, and effectively
>>> abolish indigenous history about events, values and meaning.
>>>
>>> And 'the stories of Nations who fed European settlement'
>>> means your kids learn about Serbs and Croats, but not
>>> about the Chinese who arrived much earlier, or the Vietnamese,
>>> whose story is interwoven with our own! B^p
>>>
>>> As usual, it appears as if he has his usual agenda, and what
>>> a cheap ploy to fire his shots in the Culture Wars on Australia
>>> Day! B^p
>>>
>>> The ALP simply pointed out the Federal governments role in
>>> educating History teachers "after an inquiry five years
>>> ago identified the need to improve preparation of university
>>> history teachers."
>>>
>>> "More than five years later John Howard is speaking about the same
>>> problems," Ms Macklin said. "If he is so concerned about history
>>> teaching he should ask (former education minister) Brendan Nelson what
>>> he has been doing."
>>>
>>> State Education ministers just seem puzzled what the PM was
>>> raving about, as Dates, timelines and Chronology are the
>>> essence of history traching.. but so is understanding what the
>>> events MEANT, and how values developed!
>>>
>>> "Australia's evolution as a nation and its development is
>>> a critical part of the curriculum taught in Victorian schools,"
>>>
>>>
>>> Howard, stuck in the 1950's is out of touch and out of DATE! B^)
>>>

But at least he knows when the Bay of Pigs occurred! B^)
>
>> I couldn't be bothered reading this thread. But I will say this:
>> Howard is confused about anything and everything
>> that doesn't directly involve him getting more votes.
>>
>
> Saying what he did will get him more votes.
> He is not confused about the
> teaching of history in Australian schools at all.

What makes you sudddenly an expert on teaching history,
you have the rudimentary understanding of a complete idiot.

> He knows precisely what he is saying.

How the hell would a know nothing dipshit like you be in a position
to judge, your knowledge of history is abysmal.

> RodneyK

It is not sufficient to merely have opinions, you must be
able to support them with facts.

What precisely are you claiming Howard is going to do with history
teaching to change it, and how exactly will it make the teaching of
history better? What expert historians support the new political
interference in historiography?

>
> (Top posting is now the rule for Fasgnadh).

Youir pointless non sequiturs merely confirm the common view that
you are an idiot.

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Michael Pace · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

RodneyK wrote:
> Alicia wrote:
>> I couldn't be bothered reading this thread. But I will say this:
>> Howard is
>> confused about anything and everything that doesn't directly involve him
>> getting more votes.
>>
>
> Saying what he did will get him more votes. He is not confused about the
> teaching of history in Australian schools at all. He knows precisely
> what he is saying.
>
> RodneyK
>
> (Top posting is now the rule for Fasgnadh).
>
>
>
>
>> "fasgnadh" wrote in message
>> $0$23753$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> The Prime Minister's push to overhaul the teaching of history,
>>> is making him look silly as the Commonwealth is already
>>> spending millions of dollars to teach what he's complaining
>>> is not taught! B^D
>>>
>>>
>>> "Australia Day: PM wants new history"
>>> - The Herald Sun 26/1/2006
>>>
>>> In 1984 they rewrote New History every day!
>>>
>>> Howard is always trying to rewrite history to
>>> suit his White Eyepatch view, but this latest
>>> outburst show he is either out of touch or
>>> is doing a little of the Dog Whistling he is
>>> famous for;
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mr Howard condemned teachers yesterday for focusing
>>> on abstract themes at the expense of the timeline of
>>> history.
>>>
>>> "Too often, it is taught without any sense of structured
>>> narrative, replaced by a fragmented stew of themes
>>> and issues," he said.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Mr Howard said it was ridiculous to think history could
>>> be taught without students knowing when the Battle of
>>> Hastings was fought (1066) or when Captain Cook arrived
>>> in Australia (1770)."
>>>
>>> The PM's emphassis on Date's and Timelines seems odd,
>>> as these certainly are taught already.. has he had a look
>>> at the VCE History Exam? B^p
>>>
>>> BTW: The Battle of Hastings is ENGLISH History, not Australian
>>> History! BD
>>>
>>> What's more, his concern that students are taught
>>> Themes, such as Australians at War , and issues,
>>> such as Anzac Day, bring those dates ALIVE for young
>>> students.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kate Cameron, the immediate past national president of the History
>>> Teachers' Association, says Mr Howard of all people should know the
>>> Commonwealth has invested millions of dollars into the teaching of
>> history.
>>> She says the prime minister will soon realise his claims that young
>>> people do not have a full understanding of Australian history are
>> unfounded.
>>> "Well, I don't know what he would base that assertion upon - he just
>>> said it was obvious to him but he didn't explain what his sources were
>>> about how obvious it was," Ms Cameron told ABC Radio.
>>>
>>> "I think he's going to be extremely embarrassed when he realises that
>>> his own government has poured millions of dollars into providing
>>> wonderful teaching resources and professional development opportunities
>>> ... to promote the teaching of Australian history."
>>>
>>>
>>> Whats more, it is through looking at Gallipoli, and Kokoda
>>> that Australian Values such as mateship and self sacrifice
>>> are explored!
>>>
>>> The PM is also contradicting himself because elsewhere he claims
>>> teaching those values IS important.. (Is he getting Past It?)! B^p
>>>
>>> "At the National Press Club in Canberra today, John Howard talked about
>>> the balance between maintaining Australian values, and allowing sections
>>> of the community to express their culture and beliefs."
>>>
>>> So how do we teach what those Australian values are unless
>>> we teach the about Simpson, and the Anzac tradition,
>>> themes of Mateship and loyalty.. rather than the Date
>>> which King Fauntleroy ascended to the British throne!?
>>> (After all, they are all pretenders after the French
>>> Bastard ascended the throne! B^0
>>>
>>>
>>> It also sounds as if The PM wants to teach beliefs, HIS beliefs,
>>> rather than teaching facts and letting students decide for
>>> themselves what they believe in.... he sounds more like a
>>> Cardinal discussin RE classes, or a Mullah in a Madrassa,
>>> than the PM of a secular education system;
>>>
>>> "We should have faith in what we have achieved and what we have become,"
>>> he said.
>>>
>>> "The Howard vision for teaching would cover
>>> indigenous history, the influence of the West
>>> and the stories of nations who fed European settlement."
>>>
>>> But thats simply a strategy for excluding some immigrants
>>> in favour of the PM's ethnic group!
>>>
>>> His prescription, Dates and Timelines, would mean NOTHING
>>> would be taught in the proposed 'indigenous history' other
>>> than some distant arrival date and White Settlement.
>>>
>>> Indigenous history is not about dates and timelines, so his
>>> call to have more of 1066 and All That, and effectively
>>> abolish indigenous history about events, values and meaning.
>>>
>>> And 'the stories of Nations who fed European settlement'
>>> means your kids learn about Serbs and Croats, but not
>>> about the Chinese who arrived much earlier, or the Vietnamese,
>>> whose story is interwoven with our own! B^p
>>>
>>> As usual, it appears as if he has his usual agenda, and what
>>> a cheap ploy to fire his shots in the Culture Wars on Australia
>>> Day! B^p
>>>
>>> The ALP simply pointed out the Federal governments role in
>>> educating History teachers "after an inquiry five years
>>> ago identified the need to improve preparation of university
>>> history teachers."
>>>
>>> "More than five years later John Howard is speaking about the same
>>> problems," Ms Macklin said. "If he is so concerned about history
>>> teaching he should ask (former education minister) Brendan Nelson what
>>> he has been doing."
>>>
>>> State Education ministers just seem puzzled what the PM was
>>> raving about, as Dates, timelines and Chronology are the
>>> essence of history traching.. but so is understanding what the
>>> events MEANT, and how values developed!
>>>
>>> "Australia's evolution as a nation and its development is
>>> a critical part of the curriculum taught in Victorian schools,"
>>>
>>>
>>> Howard, stuck in the 1950's is out of touch and out of DATE! B^)
>>>
yeas ,Howard knows exactly what he's saying.DIVIDE AND RULE.That is the
Fascist philosophy.Read Mussolini's rise to power in the '30's.An exact
facsimile of Howard's agenda.

Mike A Pace

anon k · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

Michael Pace wrote:
> RodneyK wrote:
>
>> Alicia wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't be bothered reading this thread. But I will say this:
>>> Howard is
>>> confused about anything and everything that doesn't directly involve him
>>> getting more votes.
>>>
>>
>> Saying what he did will get him more votes. He is not confused about
>> the teaching of history in Australian schools at all. He knows
>> precisely what he is saying.
>>
>> RodneyK
> yeas ,Howard knows exactly what he's saying.DIVIDE AND RULE.That is the
> Fascist philosophy.Read Mussolini's rise to power in the '30's.An exact
> facsimile of Howard's agenda.
>
> Mike A Pace

Teaching a government-controlled history has been a very effective way
to create a new national identity, and new allegiances, for many
countries. Usually we see the finger pointed at Japan, but look also at
the destruction of cultural heritage in the Balkans and China and Iraq,
and the teaching of national history in the US.

Komin · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

is Australia no longer a British colony ?

all Aussies are slaves of the Brits .

Komin · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

the French were in the south coasts of Australia ,
and the Brits kicked the French out of Southern Australia and out of
Tasmania .

Komin · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Mr. Howard can make his words spin , like the Bush .

Seppo Renfors · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Komin wrote:
>
> the French were in the south coasts of Australia ,
> and the Brits kicked the French out of Southern Australia and out of
> Tasmania .

They did nothing of the kind. The French co-operated with the Poms in
SA - each party mapped one side of Spencer Gulf - the French the
Western shore - the Poms the other shore.

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Virus · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

>
> Teaching a government-controlled history has been a very effective way
> to create a new national identity, and new allegiances, for many
> countries. Usually we see the finger pointed at Japan, but look also at
> the destruction of cultural heritage in the Balkans and China and Iraq,
> and the teaching of national history in the US.

History, as every sane person knows, is written by the winners, either in
war or peace.
However, winners have learned their wrongs, losers have not....