-- Massacre at Columbine High Could it Happen Here?

Don H · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 187

Schools need to delve into the background of massacres to determine
motivation; banning weapons from school premises is useful, but unless
motivation is determined then future occurrence is possible. We can air our
prejudices, and jump to conclusions, but scientific data collection and
analysis is better. Michael Moore thought it was prevalence of guns, but
discovered Canada had as many guns available - yet people didn't kill each
other as often as in the USA. Why? He found they had a mutually-caring
society, and solved problems by talking about them, rather than the
cowboys-n-indians mentality of the US. The USA has too much emphasis on
individual achievement; if you are poor it is probably your own fault, not
how society is structured. I've often claimed, on this and other NGs, that
USA is a Plutocracy, ie. ruled by entrenched wealth; hence poverty is
endemic, and only radical change of economic emphasis will make a
difference. The US presidential primaries illustrated this point - talk of
"giving our government back to the people"; where "lobby groups" are to
blame. The matter needs investigating, especially with USA seeing itself as
world's policeman and mentor, defective though this may be (as theorised
here). Your idea of lack of "a common religion" etc, may be a factor, but
I'd claim economics is a basic cause. This reflects itself in deranged
youth, who might have their own warped "reasons", which are not necessarily
their real motivation.
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"The Enlightenment" wrote in message$L.2452@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Don H" wrote in message
> $L.6334@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Why did the Columbine massacre occur? I don't remember any
> Palestinian
> > terrorist being involved - only a couple of disgruntled local boys
> (not
> > girls, please note). Their motivation could be a feeling of
> inadequacy -
> > perhaps not being able to read and write properly?
>
> Klebold was Jewish though Harris was not. What conected them was a
> sense of being outsiders (I don't know too many kids that don't feel
> like that why did these guys went fruit loops is suprising). They
> believed that the world was rotten and evil becasue it produced things
> like the Holocaust. This is just another case of the Holohype causing
> death in the present. It's interesting that the media started to
> blame so called racists and Nazis and implying it was a perverted WASP
> crime untill they found out Klebold was Jewish. At that point they
> started to blame guns instead of the kids.
>
> Americans don't have a common religion, morality or sense of
> harmonious culture that underpins most of them anymore. The
> religion they do whoreship and that has the most rituals and that is
> protected by laws against Blasphemers and Heretics is the Holocaust.
>
> Many have argued the the religion of America has become the Holocaust.
>
> What is the Holocaust about? It is about moraly discrediting the
> very European and Christian based peoples that built the USA up untill
> its doors were opened to mass immigraion in 1965. That is some basis
> for morality isn't it. No wander people find it OK to go and kill
> all those evil people.
> ...........

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The Enlightenment · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"Don H" wrote in message$L.52@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Schools need to delve into the background of massacres to determine
> motivation; banning weapons from school premises is useful, but
unless
> motivation is determined then future occurrence is possible. We can
air our
> prejudices, and jump to conclusions, but scientific data collection
and
> analysis is better. Michael Moore thought it was prevalence of
guns, but
> discovered Canada had as many guns available - yet people didn't
kill each
> other as often as in the USA. Why? He found they had a
mutually-caring
> society, and solved problems by talking about them, rather than the
> cowboys-n-indians mentality of the US.

In the USA blacks are around 8 times more likely to commit a violent
crime. Hispanics are 3-4 times more likely to commite a violent
crime. Since both these groups constitute around 15% each of the US
population they are the source of 70% of total crime.

Canada simply does not have the same racial demographics and thus has
avoided most of the same problems.

Blacks in the UK also have a crime rate around 5 times higher than the
White average.

The US data is based on US Dept of Justic Data on convictions and is
confirmed independently by the FBI's victims of crime survey.
(developed to track racial biases)

One perversity of political correctness is that the data does not
appear as stark initially. This is becuase Hispanics are counted as
"White" when assailants and Hispanic only when victims even though
they are nearly 80% Mestizo Indian. This inflates the White crime
rate and closes somewhat the 'apparent' disparity of crime between
white and black however the raw data can be seperated out.

Crime seems to be based on factors such as IQ, testoterone level
(blacks higher asians lower) and age (effects testosterone as well).

People from poor and single parent familes often mention the
resentment they feel at this excuse being used to

Philip Rushtons "Race Evolution Behaviour" Examine the racial
dimension of it crime. It is a 500 page book but a free 50 page
abridged edition in .pdf format is
available from this page:
Or directly from:

(1.3Mb download)

Black Americans have 8 times the rate of crime of non Hispanic whites
according to FBI and Dept of Justice Figures. download "the color of
crime" from the homepage or go directly to
http://www.amren.com/color.pdf
(the current 2002 and 2003 figures hold out as well)

Black Americans have 16 time the white HIV/AIDS rate:
..pdf>

For the UK a similar trend is shown:
"Statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System, 2000"
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/s95race00.pdf

> The USA has too much emphasis on
> individual achievement; if you are poor it is probably your own
fault, not
> how society is structured.

There was once a sense of hierachial order that was accepted. I can
certainly see durg use comming out of this.

Note that most crime is commited by those that exhibit psychopathic
personality. That is people who exhibit tow characteristics"
1 Tending to be underexcited and indolent.
2 Having a low level of empathy for others.
(they paradoxically have high levels of self esteem)

> I've often claimed, on this and other NGs, that
> USA is a Plutocracy, ie. ruled by entrenched wealth;

It has become that and is designed so. The electoral college system
means that political power is an activity of the wealthy.

> hence poverty is
> endemic, and only radical change of economic emphasis will make a
> difference.

Crime also correlates with IQ, age and testosterone and yes
ethniciticity.

Children are dull and crime prone if their parents are dull and crime
prone. Their environemnt is less enrcihing becuase they are dull etc.
Innate aspects of intelligence feed into evironment and effect IQ.
However you can only improve the environment of the underclass by

This emphasis on "biological determinism" is not as depressing as it
seems. The most ardent determinists attribute around 50% of outcomes
to environmental factors so we need not surrender and give up.

> The US presidential primaries illustrated this point - talk of
> "giving our government back to the people"; where "lobby groups" are
to
> blame. The matter needs investigating, especially with USA seeing
itself as
> world's policeman and mentor, defective though this may be (as
theorised
> here). Your idea of lack of "a common religion" etc, may be a
factor, but
> I'd claim economics is a basic cause. This reflects itself in
deranged
> youth, who might have their own warped "reasons", which are not
necessarily
> their real motivation.

Race, genetics and ethnic self interests is the aspect that can not be
discused rationaly nor factored in under the current hegenomy.

One aspect seldom looked at is the absence of meaningfull and
reasonable toil. The natural underclass is now full up not only with
underclass Whites but the millions of blacks and cheap labour
immigrants brounght in to feed the mercantile classes appetite for
cheap aqnd over supplied labour Competition is harsh and tragic.

The conditions hispanic fruit pickers work under is extremely harsh
with super low pay and long hours. The irony is that ethn-socialists
and open borders advocates both claim that 'whites won't do that sort
of work'. Some Whites ofcourse will but not enough and even less
when conditions are reduced even further by an oversupply of legal and
illegal immigrants.. Ironically Brazil is pulling ahead of the US in
provision of cheap oranges based on the better use of automation!

> ====================================
> "The Enlightenment" wrote in message
> $L.2452@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Don H" wrote in message
> > $L.6334@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > Why did the Columbine massacre occur? I don't remember any
> > Palestinian
> > > terrorist being involved - only a couple of disgruntled local
boys
> > (not
> > > girls, please note). Their motivation could be a feeling of
> > inadequacy -
> > > perhaps not being able to read and write properly?
> >
> > Klebold was Jewish though Harris was not. What conected them was
a
> > sense of being outsiders (I don't know too many kids that don't
feel
> > like that why did these guys went fruit loops is suprising).
They
> > believed that the world was rotten and evil becasue it produced
things
> > like the Holocaust. This is just another case of the Holohype
causing
> > death in the present. It's interesting that the media started to
> > blame so called racists and Nazis and implying it was a perverted
WASP
> > crime untill they found out Klebold was Jewish. At that point
they
> > started to blame guns instead of the kids.
> >
> > Americans don't have a common religion, morality or sense of
> > harmonious culture that underpins most of them anymore. The
> > religion they do whoreship and that has the most rituals and that
is
> > protected by laws against Blasphemers and Heretics is the
Holocaust.
> >
> > Many have argued the the religion of America has become the
Holocaust.
> >
> > What is the Holocaust about? It is about moraly discrediting the
> > very European and Christian based peoples that built the USA up
untill
> > its doors were opened to mass immigraion in 1965. That is some
basis
> > for morality isn't it. No wander people find it OK to go and
kill
> > all those evil people.
> > ...........
>
>

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"The Enlightenment" wrote in message$sj4.39776@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
(snipped)
> Note that most crime is commited by those that exhibit psychopathic
> personality. That is people who exhibit tow characteristics"
> 1 Tending to be underexcited and indolent.
> 2 Having a low level of empathy for others.
> (they paradoxically have high levels of self esteem)

I also discovered when owning a nightclub in Liverpool in 1958 that African
music creates an escape from thought. Or perhaps represents a less advanced
stage of mental development.
I remember the sudden realisation of seeing the difference from structured
european music tempo to the steady repetetive rythmic effect of the African
on youth.

I was pretty young myself at the time but the difference really struck me.
I was too tied up in the day to day running to think about it too much.
Years later the figures for delinquency started to skyrocket and the
connection between the type of music a person listens to and the crime
figures started to show a correlation.
Crime and African inspired music does seem to go together, in youth at
least.

You will notice that jewish people tend to make their children learn
classical music instruments...and in fact almost completely dominate the
classical music field. It requires a high level of intelligence to
accomplish. No Africans get involved in this music.

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"ChucklesPF1" wrote in message$Gx4.2242@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
(snipped)
> Bullshit again. There are many good black classical musicians, including
> Condoleeza Rice.

I deliberately used 'No Africans' rather than 'most Africans'. I guessed
it would smoke out at least one dunderhead who couldn't see the point.
You are logically correct you see but the logic doesn't square with the
obvious facts as I observed and made the CORELATION with them. Logically
there is no NECESSARY connection or a CAUSAL connection. *That* is what you
should have said instead of dismissive expletives.

What there most definately is is an observable CORELATION between crime and
the music that youth listens to...and that music is mostly African or has
mostly African antecendents.
The western harmonic scale requires STUDY to be competant. African music
is instinctive. It requires no thought or practice. That is why it appeals
to the very young and the very thick.
If you had a teenager learning western classical music on any instrument,
the chances of that teenager being involved in crime is pretty remote.
Practically all jewish families have their children taught classical music
and jewish children are not even on the radar as far as crime is concerned.
That was the point I was making.
It would be worth someone doing some research into what I've said because
the corelation is pretty strong. It is not politically correct though to
think like I do and you would hardly get a grant in the present climate to
check it out. I understand that.

Warren · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:22:33 GMT, "Stan Pierce"
wrote:

> It is not politically correct though ...

It's just not correct. You can't always hide behind that term you
know. You and your Enlightenment boyfriend are so wrong it's
appalling.

Ken Smith · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 64

Stan Pierce wrote:
> "ChucklesPF1" wrote in message
> $Gx4.2242@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> (snipped)
>
>>Bullshit again. There are many good black classical musicians, including
>>Condoleeza Rice.
>
> I deliberately used 'No Africans' rather than 'most Africans'. I guessed
> it would smoke out at least one dunderhead who couldn't see the point.
> You are logically correct you see but the logic doesn't square with the
> obvious facts as I observed and made the CORELATION with them. Logically
> there is no NECESSARY connection or a CAUSAL connection. *That* is what you
> should have said instead of dismissive expletives.
>
> What there most definately is is an observable CORELATION between crime and
> the music that youth listens to...and that music is mostly African or has
> mostly African antecendents.
> The western harmonic scale requires STUDY to be competant. African music
> is instinctive. It requires no thought or practice. That is why it appeals
> to the very young and the very thick.
> If you had a teenager learning western classical music on any instrument,
> the chances of that teenager being involved in crime is pretty remote.
> Practically all jewish families have their children taught classical music
> and jewish children are not even on the radar as far as crime is concerned.

Rather, the adults are involved in fraud, insider trading, and other
perfidious acts. Condi comes immediately to mind here, as well. Smile

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"Ken Smith" wrote in message @it.com...
(snipped)
> Rather, the adults are involved in fraud, insider trading, and other
> perfidious acts. Condi comes immediately to mind here, as well. Smile

If you want to discuss this sensibly then learn the difference between a
value judgement and the law.
Perfidiousness is not illegal unless a law broken is involved. No matter
what you *think* of a person does not make them a law breaker.

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"Warren" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:22:33 GMT, "Stan Pierce"
> wrote:
>
> > It is not politically correct though ...
>
> It's just not correct. You can't always hide behind that term you
> know. You and your Enlightenment boyfriend are so wrong it's
> appalling.

What is not correct ?

Sean McHugh · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Stan Pierce wrote:

> You will notice that jewish people tend to make their children learn
> classical music instruments...and in fact almost completely dominate the
> classical music field. It requires a high level of intelligence to
> accomplish. No Africans get involved in this music.

So would you maintain that Jazz theory, a musical form in which many
black Africans are proficient, is simple in its theory? Could you
offer some examples that juxtapose their relative complexities (or
the simplicity of one of them)?

Best Regards,

Sean McHugh

Sean McHugh · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

My previous reply contains an error that is liable to cause confusion.
Could replies be to this one please?

Stan Pierce wrote:

> You will notice that jewish people tend to make their children learn
> classical music instruments...and in fact almost completely dominate the
> classical music field. It requires a high level of intelligence to
> accomplish. No Africans get involved in this music.

So would you maintain that Jazz, a musical form in which many African
Americans are very proficient, is simple in its theory? Could you
offer some examples that juxtapose their relative complexities of jazz
versus classical (or the simplicity of one of them)?

Best Regards,

Sean McHugh

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"Sean McHugh" wrote in message@shoal.net.au...
> Stan Pierce wrote:
>
>
> > You will notice that jewish people tend to make their children learn
> > classical music instruments...and in fact almost completely dominate the
> > classical music field. It requires a high level of intelligence to
> > accomplish. No Africans get involved in this music.
>
> So would you maintain that Jazz, a musical form in which many African
> Americans are very proficient, is simple in its theory? Could you
> offer some examples that juxtapose their relative complexities of jazz
> versus classical (or the simplicity of one of them)?

As a jazz follower, I have a liking for the steady rythm of blues music. I
don't have to tell you its background as I'm sure you know it. Its
difference with european music is the religious background, mostly Greek
and Christian antecendents to that of tribal custom.

What does matter is the fact as I stated that African music is a natural
rythm seemingly born into African children without any teaching. No long
period of mental effort to accomplish. European music is written down and
can be mind-numbing in its technical complexity...the diatonic major scale,
just to start with.
What I find interesting is how African American children still display
primitive rythmic ability even though they have no contact with their
original background. It has to be innate. Western children are also drawn
instinctively to the primitive basic rythms but *not* to european classical
music.
I'm saying that this shows a lack of * mental * development. If white
children could be somehow quarantined from African music I suspect that
there would be a marked improvemnt in social behaviour because of it. I'm
saying that African Americans *can't* be quarantined from its influence
because it is innate and therefore will always show the primitive and
anarchic behaviour because of it. And therefore the anti-social behaviour
being higher, which leads to crime.

ChucklesPF1 · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Stan Pierce" wrote in message

> I'm saying that this shows a lack of * mental * development. If white
> children could be somehow quarantined from African music I suspect that
> there would be a marked improvemnt in social behaviour because of it. I'm
> saying that African Americans *can't* be quarantined from its influence
> because it is innate and therefore will always show the primitive and
> anarchic behaviour because of it. And therefore the anti-social behaviour
> being higher, which leads to crime.

Complete and utter racist bullshit and balderdash!

Stan Pierce · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

"ChucklesPF1" wrote in message$OB3.29280@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Stan Pierce" wrote in message
>
> > I'm saying that this shows a lack of * mental * development. If white
> > children could be somehow quarantined from African music I suspect that
> > there would be a marked improvemnt in social behaviour because of it.
I'm
> > saying that African Americans *can't* be quarantined from its influence
> > because it is innate and therefore will always show the primitive and
> > anarchic behaviour because of it. And therefore the anti-social
behaviour
> > being higher, which leads to crime.
>
> Complete and utter racist bullshit and balderdash!

And *your* evidence is?

Scott Hillard · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

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