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Learn the 'Goose-step!'..



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

1) it's compulsory.

2) it can & will be abused by criminals - ask any decent teen
hacker/cracker...

3) it is open to government abuse, just like the TFN which was never
supposed to be allowed to be used by any other agencies - yeah
right...

4) We cannot be sure that future governments will be as honest,
trustworthy & benevolent as 'Honest John' Howards Liberals...

5) They refuse to release the costings which they *claim* make this an
economic winner... LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!

6) Once enough people are 'sucked in' by necessity (compulsion) then
the cards necessary (forced) uses will more than likely be expanded (a
pretty safe bet...)

THEN:

Next come the implantable dog chips for people...
Governments are never satisfied, they have to
take more of our freedoms, rights & privacy...
more & more, bit by bit, more & more...
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The chips, known as radio frequency identification (RFID) chips, are
similar to the ones used to track livestock, identify lost pets and
speed toll payments though E-Z Pass systems. Wal-Mart Stores and other
major retailers are beginning to use them on merchandise, and the Food
and Drug Administration just gave hospitals the okay to inject them
into their patients.

Seeds of distrust
Some well-regarded security experts even imagine sinister motives
behind the push toward e-passports. Bruce Schneier, author and founder
of Counterpane Internet Security, writes in his Web log that the
government should abandon the RFID mechanism altogether in favor of a
chip that requires direct contact with its scanner.
"If there were a good offsetting reason to choose (RFID) technology
over a contact chip, then the choice might make sense," Schneier said
in his blog.
"Unfortunately, there is only one possible reason: The administration
wants surreptitious access themselves," he continued. "It wants to be
able to identify people in crowds. It wants to surreptitiously pick
out the Americans, and pick out the foreigners. It wants to do the
very thing that it insists, despite demonstrations to the contrary,
can't be done."
The era when e-passports are widespread is still some years away.
Passports are
http://news.zdnet.com/2102-3513_22-5425314.html?tag=printthis

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They just don't get it
They want to put the same in place in the UK. It'll cost a forture and
won't change a thing other than let the government watch you even
closer.
Don't listen to the illegal immigrant rubbish, 9/11 was caused by
people legally in the US.
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved the practice of
injecting humans with tracking devices for medical purposes, according
to a Florida company that makes the devices.
Applied Digital, maker of the implantable VeriChip for humans,
announced Wednesday the FDA's approval of its technology for use in
hospitals following a yearlong review by the agency.
The computer chips, which are about the size of a grain of rice, are
designed to be injected into the fatty tissue of the arm. Using a
special scanner, doctors and other hospital staff can fetch
information from the chips, such as the patient's identity, their
blood type and the details of their condition, in order to speed
treatment.
The company is targeting the devices at patients suffering from
Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other
conditions requiring complex treatment.
Medical data is not stored on the devices, also known as radio
frequency identification chips. Rather, it's stored in a database that
links the chips' unique serial numbers with patient data. In its
review, the FDA carefully studied the privacy issues around the
technology, specifically the risk that medical records could be
improperly disclosed, according to Applied Digital.
So far, no hospitals in the United States have placed orders for the
chips, an Applied Digital representative said. So the company is
planning to give away scanners, which cost $650 a piece, to 200 trauma
centers around the country to jump-start the market.
The patient ID chips are taking off more quickly in other countries.
In Mexico, more than 1,000 patients have been implanted with
VeriChips. The Italian Ministry of Health is testing the technology in
some hospitals there.
Applied Digital, based in Palm Beach, Fla., also markets the VeriChip
as an authentication tool for use in building security and to complete
financial transactions. The attorney general of Mexico and 200 people
on his staff have already been implanted with the company's chips as
part of an effort to control access to areas where confidential
documents are kept.
The tags, which are inserted with a syringe, have been used to track
pets and livestock for years, the company said.
Applied Digital has sold about 7,000 VeriChip devices, and
approximately 1,000 have been inserted in humans, the company said in
July. The company would not provide more current figures or disclose
the price of the chips.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5408223.html?tag=nl
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Dave Turner



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:22 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security. From
the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is never a
good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome in order to
gain access to most of our personal details.
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Zappy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Dave Turner" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security. From
> the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is never a
> good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome in order
> to gain access to most of our personal details.

That's a great argument. Now take the other side. Why do they have ID cards
in the U.K. for example?
>
>
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oh boy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Dave Turner" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security. From
> the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is never a
> good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome in order
> to gain access to most of our personal details.
>
>

If this card goes through..... microchips are not far away.
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Zappy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"oh boy" wrote in message $vy1.13274@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Dave Turner" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
>> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security.
>> From the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is
>> never a good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome
>> in order to gain access to most of our personal details.
>>
>>
>
> If this card goes through..... microchips are not far away.

Do you think they are saying the same thing in Britain?

Why not?
>
>
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Simon Scott



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

oh boy wrote:

>
> "Dave Turner" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
>> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security.
>> From the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is
>> never a good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome
>> in order to gain access to most of our personal details.
>>
>>
>
> If this card goes through..... microchips are not far away.

Not really - we'll just have to make thicker tin-foil hats.
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Fleeced



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Learn the 'Goose-step!'..." wrote:
> 1) it's compulsory.

Not yet it isn't...

> 2) it can & will be abused by criminals - ask any decent teen
> hacker/cracker...

No such thing as teen hackers... they're just script kiddies Smile

> [rest snipped]

Just for the record, I should say I'm a bit worried about the
privacy details of this thing... but then I'm not sure it's any
worse than what we have now.

I went to a new doctor on one occasion as mine was unavailable.
He was asking what I did for a living, and when I told him, he
did the inevitable and started asking computer related questions
(What am I? Your personal helpdesk?) One of the questions
he had was setting up security/passwords on his computer to
stop his son accessing certain things... the same computer he'd
just typed my details into!

One advantage of the cards I can think of is that people with
specific medical conditions can have it all on their card - for
example: diabetic, allergic to penicillin, etc.... people aren't
always lucid enough to convey this information when they
most need to.

Cheers,
Fleeced
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fuxx-off.liberals



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Simon Scott" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
> oh boy wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dave Turner" wrote in message
>> @quokka.wn.com.au...
>>> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with
>>> security.
>>> From the security side of things putting all your eggs in one
>>> basket is
>>> never a good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to
>>> overcome
>>> in order to gain access to most of our personal details.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If this card goes through..... microchips are not far away.
>
> Not really - we'll just have to make thicker tin-foil hats.


^ Idiot response #1.
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Whatcher?



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Learn the 'Goose-step!'..."
wrote in message @news.comindico.com.au...
> 1) it's compulsory.
>

What amuses me is that the card is to become compulsory and on May Day,
smoke alarms are compulsory in NSW. Is there something to be made out of
this smoke alarm thing happening and at the same time news about the
card????
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

"Fleeced" wrote in message $0$4539$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "Learn the 'Goose-step!'..." wrote:
>> 1) it's compulsory.
>
> Not yet it isn't...

Unless you get sick or have any dealings with the government or any of
its drones.

>> 2) it can & will be abused by criminals - ask any decent teen
>> hacker/cracker...
>
> No such thing as teen hackers... they're just script kiddies Smile

Wrong.

>> [rest snipped]

3) it is open to government abuse, just like the TFN which was never
supposed to be allowed to be used by any other agencies - yeah
right...

4) We cannot be sure that future governments will be as honest,
trustworthy & benevolent as 'Honest John' Howards Liberals...

5) They refuse to release the costings which they *claim* make this an
economic winner... LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!

6) Once enough people are 'sucked in' by necessity (compulsion) then
the cards necessary (forced) uses will more than likely be expanded (a
pretty safe bet...)

THEN:

Next come the implantable dog chips for people...
Governments are never satisfied, they have to
take more of our freedoms, rights & privacy...
more & more, bit by bit, more & more...


> Just for the record, I should say I'm a bit worried about the
> privacy details of this thing... but then I'm not sure it's any
> worse than what we have now.

It is future expansion, uses & its necessity
(dare i say covert compulsion) that bothers me.

> I went to a new doctor on one occasion as mine was unavailable.
> He was asking what I did for a living, and when I told him, he
> did the inevitable and started asking computer related questions
> (What am I? Your personal helpdesk?) One of the questions
> he had was setting up security/passwords on his computer to
> stop his son accessing certain things... the same computer he'd
> just typed my details into!

A system already exists to share patient details,
we don't need the card.

If they force me to use one it will go into the microwave on HIGH.
(*ZAP*)

They can forever enter my details manually.

FU#K the fascist control freaks.

> One advantage of the cards I can think of is that people with
> specific medical conditions can have it all on their card - for
> example: diabetic, allergic to penicillin, etc.... people aren't
> always lucid enough to convey this information when they
> most need to.
>
> Cheers,
> Fleeced

There are more reliable methods like medi-bracelets
which don't require a card reader to be used... Quicker
in an emergency situation too.

I wish people would use their own brains
instead of letting manipulative governments
think for them... but alas...

The 'Smart Card' - It's a stupid idea unless it's really
an Australia Card Mk2 ID CARD by stealth. !!!!!!!
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Stephen X. Carter



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:22:18 GMT, "Zappy" wrote:

>
>"Dave Turner" wrote in message @quokka.wn.com.au...
>> It sounds convenient, but conveniency must be balanced with security. From
>> the security side of things putting all your eggs in one basket is never a
>> good idea - hackers will now have just one obstacle to overcome in order
>> to gain access to most of our personal details.
>
>That's a great argument. Now take the other side. Why do they have ID cards
>in the U.K. for example?

Eh?

Poposed, but not (yet?) agreed.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:30:47 +1000, "Fleeced" wrote:

>
>"Learn the 'Goose-step!'..." wrote:
>> 1) it's compulsory.
>
>Not yet it isn't...
>
>> 2) it can & will be abused by criminals - ask any decent teen
>> hacker/cracker...
>
>No such thing as teen hackers... they're just script kiddies Smile
>
>> [rest snipped]
>
>Just for the record, I should say I'm a bit worried about the
>privacy details of this thing... but then I'm not sure it's any
>worse than what we have now.
>
>I went to a new doctor on one occasion as mine was unavailable.
>He was asking what I did for a living, and when I told him, he
>did the inevitable and started asking computer related questions
>(What am I? Your personal helpdesk?) One of the questions
>he had was setting up security/passwords on his computer to
>stop his son accessing certain things... the same computer he'd
>just typed my details into!

'Twas ever thus... Last time I was at my doctor's surgery the password
for his computer was visible to me on a post-it note on the computer...


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weeeeeeeeeee



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

wrote in message @news.comindico.com.au...
> "Fleeced" wrote in message
> $0$4539$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Learn the 'Goose-step!'..." wrote:
>>> 1) it's compulsory.
>>
>> Not yet it isn't...
>
> Unless you get sick or have any dealings with the government or any
> of its drones.
>
>>> 2) it can & will be abused by criminals - ask any decent teen
>>> hacker/cracker...
>>
>> No such thing as teen hackers... they're just script kiddies Smile
>
> Wrong.
>
>>> [rest snipped]
>
> 3) it is open to government abuse, just like the TFN which was never
> supposed to be allowed to be used by any other agencies - yeah
> right...
>
> 4) We cannot be sure that future governments will be as honest,
> trustworthy & benevolent as 'Honest John' Howards Liberals...
>
> 5) They refuse to release the costings which they *claim* make this
> an
> economic winner... LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!
>
> 6) Once enough people are 'sucked in' by necessity (compulsion) then
> the cards necessary (forced) uses will more than likely be expanded
> (a
> pretty safe bet...)
>
> THEN:
>
> Next come the implantable dog chips for people...
> Governments are never satisfied, they have to
> take more of our freedoms, rights & privacy...
> more & more, bit by bit, more & more...
>
>
>> Just for the record, I should say I'm a bit worried about the
>> privacy details of this thing... but then I'm not sure it's any
>> worse than what we have now.
>
> It is future expansion, uses & its necessity
> (dare i say covert compulsion) that bothers me.
>
>> I went to a new doctor on one occasion as mine was unavailable.
>> He was asking what I did for a living, and when I told him, he
>> did the inevitable and started asking computer related questions
>> (What am I? Your personal helpdesk?) One of the questions
>> he had was setting up security/passwords on his computer to
>> stop his son accessing certain things... the same computer he'd
>> just typed my details into!
>
> A system already exists to share patient details,
> we don't need the card.
>
> If they force me to use one it will go into the microwave on HIGH.
> (*ZAP*)
>
> They can forever enter my details manually.
>
> FU#K the fascist control freaks.
>
>> One advantage of the cards I can think of is that people with
>> specific medical conditions can have it all on their card - for
>> example: diabetic, allergic to penicillin, etc.... people aren't
>> always lucid enough to convey this information when they
>> most need to.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fleeced
>
> There are more reliable methods like medi-bracelets
> which don't require a card reader to be used... Quicker
> in an emergency situation too.
>
> I wish people would use their own brains
> instead of letting manipulative governments
> think for them... but alas...
>
> The 'Smart Card' - It's a stupid idea unless it's really
> an Australia Card Mk2 ID CARD by stealth. !!!!!!!


It sucks. I won't submit to these bastards.
They can stick it up their corrupt stinking arses..

Vote for anyone other than Lib/Lab at the next elections.
They are both screwing us all over while stroking our
egos & wallets to con us, over & over.

How many times can people be fucked over by these sneaky bastards &
still not learn. F#&K.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Why we need the ID CARD Reply with quote

Anyone else spot the reports yesterday (handily smothered in the
Post-Budget snowstorm) that COMMERICAL organisations are likely to get
access to the data on the card.

Ouch.

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