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Don H



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:59 am    Post subject: Punctuation Reply with quote

"Stories like this are legion. I still remember the example from primary
school that got us all excited about cannibalism: "Have you eaten Mother?"
became a much more serious matter than the simple question about mealtime
that a comma would have made it."
- from today's Age website/articles/"Pedant's progress".
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Comment: This is an interesting example. A comma inserted after "eaten"
solves the problem, and removes any cannibalistic connotation. It does
this, grammatically, by converting a transitive verb into an intransitive
one. You could also rephrase the sentence - "Mother, have you eaten?"
Translated from a question into a factual statement, the sentence is -
"Mother, you have eaten." where Mother is part of the subject of the
sentence; something implied all along, though not so obvious.
The point is - a knowledge of grammar helps in the allocation of
punctuation.
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Charles the First walked and talked half an hour after his head was struck
off.
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Desi Arnez Snr



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Punctuation Reply with quote

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:59:46 GMT, "Don H"
wrote:
>The point is - a knowledge of grammar helps in the allocation of
>punctuation.

While we are on this topic, here are two fascinating articles
criticising the best selling book on punctuation: "Eats, Shoots &
Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation" by Lynne Truss

If it the scenario was fiction it would be unbelievable, or maybe high
farce.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?040628crbo_books1

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102421

If you cannot click the links, cut and paste the links into your
address bar to read them or post and I will post the articles.
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Don H



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Punctuation Reply with quote

Thanks. Will check it out.
Here's another example, though more for it having five consecutive "and"s
than for the punctuation -
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Footpath Foreman to signwriter (re English pub):
"You need more space between Pig and and and and and Whistle!"
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"Desi Arnez Snr" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:59:46 GMT, "Don H"
> wrote:
> >The point is - a knowledge of grammar helps in the allocation of
> >punctuation.
>
> While we are on this topic, here are two fascinating articles
> criticising the best selling book on punctuation: "Eats, Shoots &
> Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation" by Lynne Truss
>
> If it the scenario was fiction it would be unbelievable, or maybe high
> farce.
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?040628crbo_books1
>
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2102421
>
> If you cannot click the links, cut and paste the links into your
> address bar to read them or post and I will post the articles.
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Stephen X. Carter



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Punctuation Reply with quote

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:08:32 +1000, Desi Arnez Snr
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:44:46 GMT, "Don H"
>wrote:
>
>>Thanks. Will check it out.
>>Here's another example, though more for it having five consecutive "and"s
>>than for the punctuation -
>>===========
>>Footpath Foreman to signwriter (re English pub):
>>"You need more space between Pig and and and and and Whistle!"
>>========================================
>
>Here's another example, with Barry and John seeing who would have a
>better effect with their teacher regarding their grammar, producing 11
>consecutive 'had's.
>
>Barry, where John had had had had had had had had had had had a better
>effect with their teacher.
>
>But it is cheating a bit because it doesn't make sense without
>punctuation.
>
>Barry, where John had had had, had had had had: had had had had a
>better effect with their teacher
>
>(Can one get away with a colon instead of a full stop in the middle of
>this?)
>
>Here it is again:
>
>Barry, where John had had "had", had had "had had": "had had" had had
>a better effect with their teacher

I once tried to explain that one to a french family I was
staying with! Smile)


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Desi Arnez Snr



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Punctuation Reply with quote

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:44:46 GMT, "Don H"
wrote:

>Thanks. Will check it out.
>Here's another example, though more for it having five consecutive "and"s
>than for the punctuation -
>===========
>Footpath Foreman to signwriter (re English pub):
>"You need more space between Pig and and and and and Whistle!"
>========================================

Here's another example, with Barry and John seeing who would have a
better effect with their teacher regarding their grammar, producing 11
consecutive 'had's.

Barry, where John had had had had had had had had had had had a better
effect with their teacher.

But it is cheating a bit because it doesn't make sense without
punctuation.

Barry, where John had had had, had had had had: had had had had a
better effect with their teacher

(Can one get away with a colon instead of a full stop in the middle of
this?)

Here it is again:

Barry, where John had had "had", had had "had had": "had had" had had
a better effect with their teacher

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