MBA in Australia

Heinek · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
universities :

-QUT
-UTS
-Bond
-UNSW
-University of Melbhourne
-University of Queensland

Thank you

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Mike McBain · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

The two top MBAs in Australia are:

Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th in the world
[joint program between USydney and UNSW]
Melbourne Business School ranked around 75

None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.

The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
Then the rest.

Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job market.

nico_pinkfloyd@hotmail.com (Heinek) writes:

>I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
>selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
>Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
>oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
>universities :

>-QUT
>-UTS
>-Bond
>-UNSW
>-University of Melbhourne
>-University of Queensland

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Heinek" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
> selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
> Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
> oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
> universities :
>
> -QUT
> -UTS
> -Bond
> -UNSW
> -University of Melbhourne
> -University of Queensland
>
> Thank you

It is not possible for anyone to say without fear of contradiction which
is the bext MBA program as Universities or their programs are not officially
rated in Australia. I am currently dojung an MBA at a University which you
have not mentioned above and we have during the course had some of
Australia's well known CEO's etc as visiting lecturers, many of whom rate
the program I am doing very highly but the reality is rating is a personal
opinion really.

Heinek · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Thanks for your answer Lionheart,
can you tell me then in which university you're doing your MBA ?

"Lionheart" wrote in message news:...
> "Heinek" wrote in message
> @posting.google.com...
> > I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
> > selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
> > Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
> > oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
> > universities :
> >
> > -QUT
> > -UTS
> > -Bond
> > -UNSW
> > -University of Melbhourne
> > -University of Queensland
> >
> > Thank you
>
> It is not possible for anyone to say without fear of contradiction which
> is the bext MBA program as Universities or their programs are not officially
> rated in Australia. I am currently dojung an MBA at a University which you
> have not mentioned above and we have during the course had some of
> Australia's well known CEO's etc as visiting lecturers, many of whom rate
> the program I am doing very highly but the reality is rating is a personal
> opinion really.

Heinek · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Where did you find this ranking ?

On the FT site there is a ranking for top MBAs in 2004 and AGSM is
53rd, Melbourne Business School is 72nd and QUT (Queensland university
of technology) is 82nd :

http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html

Mike McBain wrote in message news:...
> The two top MBAs in Australia are:
>
> Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th in the world
> [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
>
> None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
>
> The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> Then the rest.
>
> Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job market.
>
> nico_pinkfloyd@hotmail.com (Heinek) writes:
>
> >I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
> >selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
> >Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
> >oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
> >universities :
>
> >-QUT
> >-UTS
> >-Bond
> >-UNSW
> >-University of Melbhourne
> >-University of Queensland

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Mike McBain" wrote in message$rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> The two top MBAs in Australia are:
>
> Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th in
the world
> [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
>
> None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
>
> The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> Then the rest.
>
> Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job
market.

Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Mike McBain" wrote in message$rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> The two top MBAs in Australia are:
>
> Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th in
the world
> [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
>
> None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
>
> The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> Then the rest.
>
> Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job
market.

Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike

B J Foster · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 52

Lionheart wrote:
> "Mike McBain" wrote in message
> $rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > The two top MBAs in Australia are:
> >
> > Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th in
> the world
> > [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> > Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
> >
> > None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
> >
> > The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> > Then the rest.
> >
> > Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> > even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job
> market.
>
>
> Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike
>
>

Easy, a panel of professional scholars who went to 100 business schools
and then ranked them

Heinek · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

Lionheart,
Can you tell me in which university you're doing your MBA ?
If you don't want to post it here send me an email.
Thanks

"Lionheart" wrote in message news:...
> "Heinek" wrote in message
> @posting.google.com...
> > Where did you find this ranking ?
> >
> > On the FT site there is a ranking for top MBAs in 2004 and AGSM is
> > 53rd, Melbourne Business School is 72nd and QUT (Queensland university
> > of technology) is 82nd :
> >
> > http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html
> >
> As I said initially there are NO official rankings of Universities or
> their programs in Australia.
> Be wary of a polled ranking system that takes into account nebulous items
> that cannot be compared Internationally.

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"B J Foster" wrote in message@yahoo.com...
>
>
> Lionheart wrote:
> > "Mike McBain" wrote in message
> > $rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > The two top MBAs in Australia are:
> > >
> > > Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th
in
> > the world
> > > [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> > > Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
> > >
> > > None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
> > >
> > > The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> > > Then the rest.
> > >
> > > Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> > > even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job
> > market.
> >
> >
> > Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike
> >
> >
>
> Easy, a panel of professional scholars who went to 100 business schools
> and then ranked them
>
Oh great BJ where can view these rankings? you have seen them too?

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Heinek" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> Where did you find this ranking ?
>
> On the FT site there is a ranking for top MBAs in 2004 and AGSM is
> 53rd, Melbourne Business School is 72nd and QUT (Queensland university
> of technology) is 82nd :
>
> http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html
>
As I said initially there are NO official rankings of Universities or
their programs in Australia.
Be wary of a polled ranking system that takes into account nebulous items
that cannot be compared Internationally.

B J Foster · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 52

Lionheart wrote:
> "B J Foster" wrote in message
> @yahoo.com...
> >
> >
> > Lionheart wrote:
> > > "Mike McBain" wrote in message
> > > $rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > The two top MBAs in Australia are:
> > > >
> > > > Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked around 68th
> in
> > > the world
> > > > [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> > > > Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
> > > >
> > > > None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
> > > >
> > > > The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and Macquarie.
> > > > Then the rest.
> > > >
> > > > Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they don't
> > > > even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for yesterday's job
> > > market.
> > >
> > >
> > > Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Easy, a panel of professional scholars who went to 100 business schools
> > and then ranked them
> >
> Oh great BJ where can view these rankings? you have seen them too?
>
>

(I was indulging in a little sarcasm)

Probably they were self-appointed, most likely US-based with opaque
criteria. Education is business. Should we allow the competition to rank
us? Instead of accepting 58th, or whatever, we should be marketing AGSM,
Melbourne, etc as #1.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that there are 57 'better' schools
- but then there's REALLY no way of knowing is there?

Having said that, if we start believing propaganda, then perhaps we
deserve LOWER rankings.

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"B J Foster" wrote in message@yahoo.com...
>
>
> Lionheart wrote:
> > "B J Foster" wrote in message
> > @yahoo.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Lionheart wrote:
> > > > "Mike McBain" wrote in message
> > > > $rz4.733@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > > The two top MBAs in Australia are:
> > > > >
> > > > > Australian Graduate School of Management [AGSM] ranked
around 68th
> > in
> > > > the world
> > > > > [joint program between USydney and UNSW]
> > > > > Melbourne Business School ranked around 75
> > > > >
> > > > > None of the other Australian MBAs have a world ranking.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next rung down includes UQueensland, Monash and
Macquarie.
> > > > > Then the rest.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even ten years ago, a good MBA could get you a job. Now they
don't
> > > > > even get you an interview. Yesterday's degree for
yesterday's job
> > > > market.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where did you get those "rankings" from Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Easy, a panel of professional scholars who went to 100 business
schools
> > > and then ranked them
> > >
> > Oh great BJ where can view these rankings? you have seen them too?
> >
> >
>
> (I was indulging in a little sarcasm)
>
Thanks it brought a smile to my dial

> Probably they were self-appointed, most likely US-based with opaque
> criteria. Education is business. Should we allow the competition to rank
> us? Instead of accepting 58th, or whatever, we should be marketing AGSM,
> Melbourne, etc as #1.
>
> Personally, I find it hard to believe that there are 57 'better' schools
> - but then there's REALLY no way of knowing is there?
>
> Having said that, if we start believing propaganda, then perhaps we
> deserve LOWER rankings.
>
absolutely

Sampson Smith · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

On 2 Jun 2004 05:22:05 -0700, nico_pinkfloyd@hotmail.com (Heinek)
wrote:

>I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
>selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
>Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
>oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
>universities :
>
>-QUT
>-UTS
>-Bond
>-UNSW
>-University of Melbhourne
>-University of Queensland
>
>Thank you

There is some MBA rankings info here:

http://www.australian-universities.com/rankings.php

and info about the MBA programs here:

http://www.mbaguide.com.au/

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Sampson Smith" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On 2 Jun 2004 05:22:05 -0700, nico_pinkfloyd@hotmail.com (Heinek)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm thinking of doing an MBA in Australia next year and I have already
> >selected some universities based on what I read on their websites.
> >Can anyone advise me on which program is the best and what are the
> >oppotunities to find a job in Australia with an MBA in one of these
> >universities :
> >
> >-QUT
> >-UTS
> >-Bond
> >-UNSW
> >-University of Melbhourne
> >-University of Queensland
> >
> >Thank you
>
> There is some MBA rankings info here:
>
> http://www.australian-universities.com/rankings.php
>
> and info about the MBA programs here:
>
> http://www.mbaguide.com.au/

Asiaweek.the first one

The second is quite a good site I have referred to before and they also
put out a printed version