Is Monash or Uni Melbourne better?

Parry · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

Which one do people perceive as being "better" and more prestigious in
a general sense..overall; as well as in the job market?

I'd reckon Uni Mel's more prestigious because of the fact that it's
been around for far more time than has Monash.

Given an option, would a law degree from Uni Mel be "better" or one
from Monash?

Opinions anyone?

Archived from group: aus>students

Chris McDonald · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 30

windytummy writes:

>However there are exceptions, for example Monash has the most overseas
>students (may be convenient if your degree requires lots of groupwork).

I'm interested to know how you (personally) equate overseas students
with groupwork?

Chris.

Parry · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

Chris McDonald wrote in message news:...
> windytummy writes:
>
> >Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
> >students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
> >country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
> >might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
> >cultural background.
>
> Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.
>
> Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students may
> have a bigger chance....
> Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a greater
> international mix...
>
> Chris.

Ok, first, thanks for the contribtuion guys, wind and chris, but wind,
don't make automatic assumptions about all overseas students or for
that matter, locals.

I think since Monash is a real hit on the overseas students scene, I
would not like the option better than Uni Melb. Uni Melb sounds like
more "my" kinda place...and I'm not terribly inclined to only sticking
to "known" people; for namesakes, overseas students...especially from
the same country. I would like to explore more in all spheres..social,
cultural and intellectual..

And from whatever news that I've been keeping up with, Monash has been
having quite a bit of problems because of its unusually large
international student population in terms of resentment of the lower
standards (generally) brought to the programs by international
fiscally well off students as opposed to local, economically
underprivileged ones.

So in this context I'd say Uni Melb would be a better option for
me...I'm looking less for the whole commercial marketing of Monash
than for a dinkum uni like good ol' Mel U.

Does anyoneknow any people from Mel U law?

Chris McDonald · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 30

windytummy writes:

>Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
>students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
>country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
>might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
>cultural background.

Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.

Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students may
have a bigger chance....
Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a greater
international mix...

Chris.

windytummy · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Parry wrote:

> Which one do people perceive as being "better" and more prestigious in
> a general sense..overall; as well as in the job market?
>
> I'd reckon Uni Mel's more prestigious because of the fact that it's
> been around for far more time than has Monash.
>
> Given an option, would a law degree from Uni Mel be "better" or one
> from Monash?
>
> Opinions anyone?

Neither is better in terms of reputation. I used to think like that
(Unimelb has better reputation). But after living here in Melbourne, I
realize that people & future employers don't really care about the uni.
They care about what you achieve in uni regardless of the university
standing. Universities throughout Australia basically have the same
standard. The difference lies in subtle things like lab equipments,
library size, number of overseas students etc.

However there are exceptions, for example Monash has the most overseas
students (may be convenient if your degree requires lots of groupwork).
Mel-U is better for research degrees (older uni - have been doing
research for longer) and medical degrees (unimelb have hospitals).

My advice is to avoid Mel-U if your future degree is not medical/
research based. It's much more expensive compared to Monash.

From an international student's point of view, I'd say Monash & RMIT is
a good choice in Melbourne, because their prices are competitive and
they're well-known overseas (just in case you decided to work in your
home country or overseas).

Cheers,
wt.

windytummy · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Chris McDonald wrote:

> windytummy writes:
>
>
>>However there are exceptions, for example Monash has the most overseas
>>students (may be convenient if your degree requires lots of groupwork).
>
>
> I'm interested to know how you (personally) equate overseas students
> with groupwork?
>
> Chris.

Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
cultural background.

wt.

Mike McBain · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

windytummy writes:

>Parry wrote:

>> Which one do people perceive as being "better" and more prestigious in
>> a general sense..overall; as well as in the job market?
>>
>> I'd reckon Uni Mel's more prestigious because of the fact that it's
>> been around for far more time than has Monash.
>>
>> Given an option, would a law degree from Uni Mel be "better" or one
>> from Monash?
>>
>> Opinions anyone?

This is nonsense. Both Monash and Melbourne have strong teaching and research
credentials, in a way that La Trobe [which started only 5 years after Monash.
does not].

[...]
>However there are exceptions, for example Monash has the most overseas
>students (may be convenient if your degree requires lots of groupwork).
>Mel-U is better for research degrees (older uni - have been doing
>research for longer) and medical degrees (unimelb have hospitals).

You are misinformed. Monash has teaching hospitals, too. What about the
Monash Medical Centre? World-class in IVF, cardiology and renology. There's
nothing wrong with the Alfred's reputation, either, especially for trauma work)
Both Monash and Melbourne are recognised first-class research universities
[Group of 8] in many fields, including medicine and law.

>My advice is to avoid Mel-U if your future degree is not medical/
>research based. It's much more expensive compared to Monash.

Since only Monash and Melbourne *have* medical faculties in Victoria, and since
the quality of both is equally good, you are on shaky ground here.

> From an international student's point of view, I'd say Monash & RMIT is
>a good choice in Melbourne, because their prices are competitive and
>they're well-known overseas (just in case you decided to work in your
>home country or overseas).

Price should never be the determinant.

Mike McBain · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

windytummy writes:

>Chris McDonald wrote:

>> windytummy writes:
>>
>>
>>>However there are exceptions, for example Monash has the most overseas
>>>students (may be convenient if your degree requires lots of groupwork).
>>
>>
>> I'm interested to know how you (personally) equate overseas students
>> with groupwork?
>>
>> Chris.

>Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
>students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
>country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
>might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
>cultural background.

And the risk of plagiarism, too.

Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"Chris McDonald" wrote in message$v33$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au...
> windytummy writes:
>
> >Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
> >students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
> >country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
> >might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
> >cultural background.
>
> Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.
>
> Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students
may
> have a bigger chance....
> Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a
greater
> international mix...
>
> Chris.

I am at Uni atm doing a Masters and the Uni does not care about makeup for
group assignments, they just choose, "you three" or "make up a group of
three and get back to us"

Rob

Parry · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

Alan, I'm thinking Melbourne because I like the culture as opposed to
either Sydney or say, Adelaide/Brisbane; AND the fact that I have
loadsa family there..enough social support to last a lifetime! Smile

And your post on ANU, yeah it IS really prestigious and well-regarded
but it's in Canberra!! ..It's a tad too slow up there..but nonetheless
is my next option if I can't get into something in Melbourne, which is
unlikely considering I've gotten into Monash law, now I'm
thinking..let's give Uni Mel a go!

AlanS wrote in message news:...
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:58:33 -0700, Parry wrote:
>
> > Chris McDonald wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> windytummy writes:
> >>
> >> >Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
> >> >students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
> >> >country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
> >> >might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
> >> >cultural background.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.
> >>
> >> Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students
> >> may have a bigger chance....
> >> Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a
> >> greater international mix...
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >
> >
> > Ok, first, thanks for the contribtuion guys, wind and chris, but wind,
> > don't make automatic assumptions about all overseas students or for that
> > matter, locals.
> >
> > I think since Monash is a real hit on the overseas students scene, I would
> > not like the option better than Uni Melb. Uni Melb sounds like more "my"
> > kinda place...and I'm not terribly inclined to only sticking to "known"
> > people; for namesakes, overseas students...especially from the same
> > country. I would like to explore more in all spheres..social, cultural and
> > intellectual..
> >
> > And from whatever news that I've been keeping up with, Monash has been
> > having quite a bit of problems because of its unusually large
> > international student population in terms of resentment of the lower
> > standards (generally) brought to the programs by international fiscally
> > well off students as opposed to local, economically underprivileged ones.
> >
> > So in this context I'd say Uni Melb would be a better option for me...I'm
> > looking less for the whole commercial marketing of Monash than for a
> > dinkum uni like good ol' Mel U.
> >
> > Does anyoneknow any people from Mel U law?
>
> Do you have to go to Melbourne (as in the city) or are they the two unis
> that stood at the most to you out of the aussie unis?
>
> AlanS
>
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AlanS · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:04:53 -0700, Parry wrote:

> Which one do people perceive as being "better" and more prestigious in a
> general sense..overall; as well as in the job market?
>
> I'd reckon Uni Mel's more prestigious because of the fact that it's been
> around for far more time than has Monash.
>
> Given an option, would a law degree from Uni Mel be "better" or one from
> Monash?
>
> Opinions anyone?

ANU, only aussie uni in the top 50 worldwide.

AlanS

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AlanS · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:58:33 -0700, Parry wrote:

> Chris McDonald wrote in message
> news:...
>> windytummy writes:
>>
>> >Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
>> >students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
>> >country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
>> >might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
>> >cultural background.
>>
>> Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.
>>
>> Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students
>> may have a bigger chance....
>> Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a
>> greater international mix...
>>
>> Chris.
>
>
> Ok, first, thanks for the contribtuion guys, wind and chris, but wind,
> don't make automatic assumptions about all overseas students or for that
> matter, locals.
>
> I think since Monash is a real hit on the overseas students scene, I would
> not like the option better than Uni Melb. Uni Melb sounds like more "my"
> kinda place...and I'm not terribly inclined to only sticking to "known"
> people; for namesakes, overseas students...especially from the same
> country. I would like to explore more in all spheres..social, cultural and
> intellectual..
>
> And from whatever news that I've been keeping up with, Monash has been
> having quite a bit of problems because of its unusually large
> international student population in terms of resentment of the lower
> standards (generally) brought to the programs by international fiscally
> well off students as opposed to local, economically underprivileged ones.
>
> So in this context I'd say Uni Melb would be a better option for me...I'm
> looking less for the whole commercial marketing of Monash than for a
> dinkum uni like good ol' Mel U.
>
> Does anyoneknow any people from Mel U law?

Do you have to go to Melbourne (as in the city) or are they the two unis
that stood at the most to you out of the aussie unis?

AlanS

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Lionheart · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

"AlanS" wrote in message@codefish.net.au...
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:04:53 -0700, Parry wrote:
>
> > Which one do people perceive as being "better" and more prestigious in
a
> > general sense..overall; as well as in the job market?
> >
> > I'd reckon Uni Mel's more prestigious because of the fact that it's
been
> > around for far more time than has Monash.
> >
> > Given an option, would a law degree from Uni Mel be "better" or one
from
> > Monash?
> >
> > Opinions anyone?
>
> ANU, only aussie uni in the top 50 worldwide.
>
> AlanS
>
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Yes we have a live one here

AlanS · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On 8 Jun 2004 03:57:28 -0700, in aus.students
parikshitkshirsagar@hotmail.com (Parry) spewed forth the
following in message

>Alan, I'm thinking Melbourne because I like the culture as opposed to
>either Sydney or say, Adelaide/Brisbane; AND the fact that I have
>loadsa family there..enough social support to last a lifetime! Smile

>
>And your post on ANU, yeah it IS really prestigious and well-regarded
>but it's in Canberra!! ..It's a tad too slow up there..but nonetheless
>is my next option if I can't get into something in Melbourne, which is
>unlikely considering I've gotten into Monash law, now I'm
>thinking..let's give Uni Mel a go!

Fair enough.

>AlanS wrote in message news:...
>> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:58:33 -0700, Parry wrote:
>>
>> > Chris McDonald wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> >> windytummy writes:
>> >>
>> >> >Apologies for any confusion. What I mean is that with more overseas
>> >> >students, the bigger is the chance of having friends from the same
>> >> >country who're taking the same classes. Thus, any group assignments
>> >> >might be undertaken by a group that consists of people with the same
>> >> >cultural background.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, I didn't notice that the original poster was from overseas.
>> >>
>> >> Similarly, if there were fewer overseas students, then local students
>> >> may have a bigger chance....
>> >> Or a school may (better) choose to randomly assign groups to obtain a
>> >> greater international mix...
>> >>
>> >> Chris.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok, first, thanks for the contribtuion guys, wind and chris, but wind,
>> > don't make automatic assumptions about all overseas students or for that
>> > matter, locals.
>> >
>> > I think since Monash is a real hit on the overseas students scene, I would
>> > not like the option better than Uni Melb. Uni Melb sounds like more "my"
>> > kinda place...and I'm not terribly inclined to only sticking to "known"
>> > people; for namesakes, overseas students...especially from the same
>> > country. I would like to explore more in all spheres..social, cultural and
>> > intellectual..
>> >
>> > And from whatever news that I've been keeping up with, Monash has been
>> > having quite a bit of problems because of its unusually large
>> > international student population in terms of resentment of the lower
>> > standards (generally) brought to the programs by international fiscally
>> > well off students as opposed to local, economically underprivileged ones.
>> >
>> > So in this context I'd say Uni Melb would be a better option for me...I'm
>> > looking less for the whole commercial marketing of Monash than for a
>> > dinkum uni like good ol' Mel U.
>> >
>> > Does anyoneknow any people from Mel U law?
>>
>> Do you have to go to Melbourne (as in the city) or are they the two unis
>> that stood at the most to you out of the aussie unis?

AlanS

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