ID CARD COMPULSORY for Gov Family Benefits, Childcare Rebate

Ordog · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Wayne wrote:
> ANTI-BORG@STAY.FREE.net wrote:

> You are an idiot.

Have you looked into the mirror lately?

Ördög
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!

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Ordog · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Wayne wrote:
> oh boy wrote:
> > "Wayne" wrote in message

> >>You are an idiot.

> > Why? I'm sorry you Howardites class thinking for ones self as a bad thing.

> Put the weed done, and abstain for a week, then post - then you might
> have some credibility.

You never had any. Nor will have any time soon!

Ördög
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!

jmccrann · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

I suppose he's mentally ill as well? And you forgot to call him a
LOSER.

What about yourself? What are you? A drone? An autopilot? A sleeper bot
that does and thinks whatever the television tells it to? Watched much
TV lately? Read alot of mainstream
corporate brainwashing pulp fiction (a.k.a. THE NEW REALITY) lately?

Do you get a nice fuzzy sensation when you say "corporate". Are your
ideas yours? How many of your ideas were implanted by the television?
Can you tell the difference between television land of bullshit and
reality dirty streets noisy cars, smokey dusty air, increased cancer
rates., increased neurological disorders, descreased population IQs,
increase in gun violence, increased poverty, disappearance of the
middle-class, decreased education standards?

Are you happy with your socio-economic status inferred by your clothes
and vehicle these days or do you feel as though your girlfriend could
be a little better looking?

jmccrann · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

Can you losers from aus.tv stop cross posting to aus.politcs. It makes
me sick to think that people sit around talking about television let
alone watch it. Get a life in the REAL WORLD.

ANTI-BORG · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).

Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
CON.

RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.

Comments:
http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/smart_card/

oh boy · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

"Wayne" wrote in message $0$30730$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> ANTI-BORG@STAY.FREE.net wrote:
>> The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will not
>> be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government payments,
>> meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>>
>> Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this CON.
>>
>> RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>>
>> Comments:
>
> You are an idiot.

Why? I'm sorry you Howardites class thinking for ones self as a bad thing.

Rufus · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

wrote in message $1@news.comindico.com.au...
> The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
> not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
> payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>
> Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
> CON.
>
> RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>
I see the card as a way for the authorities to keep track of people. Every
time it is used they will know where we are and what we are doing. It's like
wearing an electronic bracelet that prisoners on early release have to wear.

Also, how will they get everyone's photo for the cards? Who will pay for that?
And what about those people who don't want to show their faces, such as Muslims
(women in particular), Arab terrorists wrapped in towels, Irish terrorists
wearing ski masks etc. I think the whole exercise is designed to keep honest
people honest. It will not achieve that for which we are led to believe it is
designed, our security and safety. Big Brother (1984) has come.

Jim Smith · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Rufus" wrote in message$vy1.15548@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> wrote in message
> $1@news.comindico.com.au...
> > The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
> > not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
> > payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
> >
> > Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
> > CON.
> >
> > RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
> >
> I see the card as a way for the authorities to keep track of people.
Every
> time it is used they will know where we are and what we are doing. It's
like
> wearing an electronic bracelet that prisoners on early release have to
wear.
>
> Also, how will they get everyone's photo for the cards? Who will pay for
that?
> And what about those people who don't want to show their faces, such as
Muslims
> (women in particular), Arab terrorists wrapped in towels, Irish terrorists
> wearing ski masks etc. I think the whole exercise is designed to keep
honest
> people honest. It will not achieve that for which we are led to believe it
is
> designed, our security and safety. Big Brother (1984) has come.
>
>
Tinfoil kook hat time, doodooodooo (to the tune of the Z files)

ANTI-BORG · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Wayne" wrote in message $0$30711$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> David Springthorpe wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:45:01 +1000, Wayne
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Why? I'm sorry you Howardites class thinking for ones self as a
>>>>bad thing.
>>
>>
>>>Put the weed done, and abstain for a week, then post - then you
>>>might have some credibility.
>>
>>
>> Funny, I was about to add that he was pretty much spot-on.....
>
> I agree that it is a bad thing, do not get me wrong there, but when
> the JFK/Apollo11/Holt crowd start posting nonsense who can resist
> stiring the pot.

Who exactly are the "JFK/Apollo11/Holt crowd"? I've NEVER posted on
any of these subjects. Are you on drugs?

ANTI-BORG · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

"Kwyjibo." wrote in message $0$84425$c30e37c6@ken-reader.news.telstra.net...
> "David Springthorpe" wrote in
> message
> @4ax.com
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:45:01 +1000, Wayne
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Why? I'm sorry you Howardites class thinking for ones self as a
>>>> bad
>>>> thing.
>>
>>> Put the weed done, and abstain for a week, then post - then you
>>> might
>>> have some credibility.
>>
>> Funny, I was about to add that he was pretty much spot-on.....
>
> In what way? I fail to see any rational thought behind the OP's
> post.

ID CARD IS COMPULSORY for Gov Benefits, which includes Family
Benefits, Childcare Rebates, Students Benefits, etc. Quite Logical...
I fail to see any rational thought behind your post...

> Other than the idiotic notion that "it's by the government so it
> must be evil', what grounds are there for opposing such a card?

Your response only, not mine. Idiot.

> Blindly going along with the moronic masses who claim this is a bad
> thing is not 'thinking for ones self'. Come up with a rational
> argument and people may listen.

Shame you missed it. Try learning to read.
(must be a rabbid howard supporter...)

> --
> Kwyj

Stephen X. Carter · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 25

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:41:43 +0930, horacewachope@gmail.com wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:48:29 GMT, "Rufus" wrote:
>
>>

>> Also, how will they get everyone's photo for the cards?
>
>The cards aren't going to have facial photos, are they? Just a
>"biometric photgraph" (which, presumably, means biometric data stored
>in a chip).

According to the Fed Minister doing it (ie Horse's mouth) - name
forgotten - on ABC this evening, the cards will have a Photograph on
them - human readable image, as well as embedded (qv) biometrics on the
64Mb (!!) chip.

The photo will NOT be able to be submitted (like with a passport) but
you have to do it in person (is what he said) - which sounds pretty
"interesting" simply in terms of processing 20,000,000 *correctly*. How
will they deal with very remote communities?

He also said that the way that they will prevent fraud (by stopping one
person having 2 cards) is that the biometrics will be compared with
existing cards, and if they match then it's obviously a fraudulent
attempt. Must tell my identical twin that one!

What about the aged and the infirm (variously) who will neither be able
to turn up and "register", nor be able to use the card in person, *in
person* as mandated by the scheme.

Whatever its merits/demerits in principle, one thing we can be very sure
of is that it will be an administrative total meltdown!

--
steve.hat.stephencarter.not.com.but.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!

Rufus · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"Reaper" wrote in message @corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Rufus" wrote in message
> $vy1.15548@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> wrote in message
>> $1@news.comindico.com.au...
>> > The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
>> > not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
>> > payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>> >
>> > Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
>> > CON.
>> >
>> > RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>> >
>> I see the card as a way for the authorities to keep track of people.
>> Every time it is used they will know where we are and what we are doing.
>> It's like wearing an electronic bracelet that prisoners on early release
>> have to wear.
>
> Aren't you getting a little wrapped up in your own importance??? In all
> honesty, nobody cares what you are doing. The government really don't give
> a rats where you are either. The point of the whole thing is to try to make
> sure those who receive government benifits are those who satisfy the
> criteria.
>
DSS is doing an adequate job of this at the time of application for benefits.
The Department has the resources to check the information on any application. We
don't need a card to replace what the government already has. Unfortunately
different departments don't "talk" to each other. Rather they prefer do get
information from other (non-government) sources. For instance, the ATO has since
1973 been able to log into the computers of banking institutions from their
"super-computer" located above a bank in Melbourne.

What I am alluding to is the possibility of the information contained in those
"biochips" from falling into the wrong hands. In these days when credit cards
are forged so easily by scanners and identity theft is rife I am merely trying
to be the Devil's advocate. What information will these chips contain?

>> Also, how will they get everyone's photo for the cards? Who will pay for
>> that?
>
> The issuing authority (ie governement, ie you thru your taxes - assuming you
> pay any)
>
Yes, and proud to do so, although like any "normal" person I minimise my
taxes.

>> And what about those people who don't want to show their faces, such as
>> Muslims (women in particular),
>
> It would fall into the same catagory as passports. If you want one, you
> need to have your photo taken.
>
Yes, a photo is required, as Stephen X. Carter has already confirmed. My
question is how will this be implemented? Will people have to forward a passport
style photo (without a smile) or go to a special centre similar to licencing
centres that take photos for your driver's licence?

>> Arab terrorists wrapped in towels, Irish terrorists wearing ski masks etc.
>
> If it is likely to prevent terrorism then we have a real winner on our
> hands. However, preventing terrorism isn't one of the objectives of the
> card.
>
>> I think the whole exercise is designed to keep honest people honest. It
>> will not achieve that for which we are led to believe it is designed, our
>> security and safety. Big Brother (1984) has come.
>
> Yeah maybe. I will also make life difficult for many of the opportunistic
> fraudsters and be very difficult for the more elaborate ones in the short
> term.
>
I'm sure the fraudsters will soon find a way to abuse this system. As I
already said, it will keep the honest people honest.

ray · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

ANTI-BORG@STAY.FREE.net wrote:
> The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
> not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
> payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>
> Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
> CON.
>
> RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>
> Comments:
> http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/smart_card/
>
>
My local MPs, State and Federal are both idiots, sad to say. You may be
able to postpone it but I doubt you'll be able to stop it, entrenched
bureaucracies are very hard to stop. As this only affects the poor not
the rich, the opposition will be vocal but lacking in clout. Governments
are very good at targetting people who are in no position to fight back.

The Meerkat · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

ANTI-BORG@STAY.FREE.net wrote:
> The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
> not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
> payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>
> Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
> CON.
>
> RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>
> Comments:
> http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/smart_card/
>
>
No one forces people to have a family. You want kids and a spouse then
suffer the consequences.

Wayne · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

ANTI-BORG@STAY.FREE.net wrote:
> The card will be phased in between 2008 and 2010 and, while it will
> not be compulsory, it will be essential for receiving Government
> payments, meaning they will be essential for some (ie: FAMILIES).
>
> Contact your local MP, the PM, everybody that you can to stop this
> CON.
>
> RESISTANCE IS *NOT* FUTILE.
>
> Comments:

You are an idiot.