Affirmative action in the ACT

Garth Foster · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

We've known for years that ATSIC was a sheltered workshop - there
recruitment ads generally including the code criterion "knowledge of
and experience with aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture"
which means the job is only open to members of particular races. Now
this concept is being extended to the ACT public service.

Check out the ad in Canberra Times 14 Feb 04 for a person to work in
Curriculum & Assessment, Indigenous Education. The position is
designated "Indigenous identified". This apparently means that to get
the job (a) you have to be an Aborigine and (b) you dont need the
usual quals ("Certificate IV"). Possession of this certificate is
essential. Xcept that if the Indigenous applicant hasnt actually
attained the "Certificate IV" then thats ok - "progression towards it"
will be accepted. If no such progress has been made, then thats ok too
- "preparedness to enrol in" the necessary course will be considered
sufficient in place of actually completing the course successfully.

Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
students whose education is being overseen by people whose only
qualification is that they are of a particular race?

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VH-CBR · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

Like we know how important criteria are other than the "must be aboriginal"
.....

But you keep kidding yourself ....

"La de dah" wrote in message@otis.netspace.net.au...
> In article ,
> gpfoster@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote:
>
> > Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> > students whose education is being overseen
>
> >by people whose only
> > qualification is that they are of a particular race?
>
> I know that facts are an annoying inconvenience but as well as being
> Aboriginal, the successful candidate for this position will also have to
> be able to:
>
> PROVIDE HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND ADVICE IN THE
> IMPLEMENTATION OF INDIGENOUS EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN ACT GOVERNMENT
> SCHOOLS. PROVIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICER SERVICES TO THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION
> CONSULTATIVE BODY. WELL-DEVELOPED SKILLS REQUIRED IN ADMINISTRATION,
> FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, PREPARATION OF BRIEFS,
> REPORTS.
>
> The overseeing of government programs, even in the ACT public service,
> is a team effort; this person, at this level, would be subject to
> ongoing performance appraisals and close supervision.
>
> BTW, would you like your children's education, especially in cultural
> studies eg history, religion etc to be "overseen" only by, say, Japanese
> or Sri Lankan public servants?
>
> Fa la la

La de dah · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

In article ,
gpfoster@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote:

> Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> students whose education is being overseen

>by people whose only
> qualification is that they are of a particular race?

I know that facts are an annoying inconvenience but as well as being
Aboriginal, the successful candidate for this position will also have to
be able to:

PROVIDE HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND ADVICE IN THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF INDIGENOUS EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN ACT GOVERNMENT
SCHOOLS. PROVIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICER SERVICES TO THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION
CONSULTATIVE BODY. WELL-DEVELOPED SKILLS REQUIRED IN ADMINISTRATION,
FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, PREPARATION OF BRIEFS,
REPORTS.

The overseeing of government programs, even in the ACT public service,
is a team effort; this person, at this level, would be subject to
ongoing performance appraisals and close supervision.

BTW, would you like your children's education, especially in cultural
studies eg history, religion etc to be "overseen" only by, say, Japanese
or Sri Lankan public servants?

Fa la la

Wally · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"La de dah" wrote in message@otis.netspace.net.au...
> In article ,
> gpfoster@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote:
>
> > Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> > students whose education is being overseen
>
> >by people whose only
> > qualification is that they are of a particular race?
>
> I know that facts are an annoying inconvenience but as well as being
> Aboriginal, the successful candidate for this position will also have to
> be able to:
>
> PROVIDE HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND ADVICE IN THE
> IMPLEMENTATION OF INDIGENOUS EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN ACT GOVERNMENT
> SCHOOLS. PROVIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICER SERVICES TO THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION
> CONSULTATIVE BODY. WELL-DEVELOPED SKILLS REQUIRED IN ADMINISTRATION,
> FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, PREPARATION OF BRIEFS,
> REPORTS.
>
> The overseeing of government programs, even in the ACT public service,
> is a team effort; this person, at this level, would be subject to
> ongoing performance appraisals and close supervision.
>
> BTW, would you like your children's education, especially in cultural
> studies eg history, religion etc to be "overseen" only by, say, Japanese
> or Sri Lankan public servants?
>
> Fa la la

What have you got against Sri Lankans?

La de dah · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

In article ,
"Wally" wrote:

> What have you got against Sri Lankans?

Nothing. Ditto re Japanese. Try reading my question again - I'm asking
whether Garth would be happy with oversight of his children's education
by people only from a culture significantly different from than his own.

La la la

PM · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

I have been told it is not worth my while applying for one job as there was
an indigenous applicant. Even though they had none of the other skills.
And I was told by an Aboroginal friend who initially told me about the job.

"VH-CBR" wrote in message$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> Like we know how important criteria are other than the "must be
aboriginal"
> ....
>
> But you keep kidding yourself ....
>
>
> "La de dah" wrote in message
> @otis.netspace.net.au...
> > In article ,
> > gpfoster@hotmail.com (Garth Foster) wrote:
> >
> > > Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> > > students whose education is being overseen
> >
> > >by people whose only
> > > qualification is that they are of a particular race?
> >
> > I know that facts are an annoying inconvenience but as well as being
> > Aboriginal, the successful candidate for this position will also have to
> > be able to:
> >
> > PROVIDE HIGH-LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND ADVICE IN THE
> > IMPLEMENTATION OF INDIGENOUS EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN ACT GOVERNMENT
> > SCHOOLS. PROVIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICER SERVICES TO THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION
> > CONSULTATIVE BODY. WELL-DEVELOPED SKILLS REQUIRED IN ADMINISTRATION,
> > FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, PREPARATION OF BRIEFS,
> > REPORTS.
> >
> > The overseeing of government programs, even in the ACT public service,
> > is a team effort; this person, at this level, would be subject to
> > ongoing performance appraisals and close supervision.
> >
> > BTW, would you like your children's education, especially in cultural
> > studies eg history, religion etc to be "overseen" only by, say, Japanese
> > or Sri Lankan public servants?
> >
> > Fa la la
>
>

Ned Latham · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

Garth Foster wrote in :
>
> We've known for years that ATSIC was a sheltered workshop - there
> recruitment ads generally including the code criterion "knowledge of
> and experience with aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture"
> which means the job is only open to members of particular races. Now
> this concept is being extended to the ACT public service.
>
> Check out the ad in Canberra Times 14 Feb 04 for a person to work in
> Curriculum & Assessment, Indigenous Education. The position is
> designated "Indigenous identified". This apparently means that to get
> the job (a) you have to be an Aborigine and (b) you dont need the
> usual quals ("Certificate IV"). Possession of this certificate is
> essential. Xcept that if the Indigenous applicant hasnt actually
> attained the "Certificate IV" then thats ok - "progression towards it"
> will be accepted. If no such progress has been made, then thats ok too
> - "preparedness to enrol in" the necessary course will be considered
> sufficient in place of actually completing the course successfully.
>
> Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> students whose education is being overseen by people whose only
> qualification is that they are of a particular race?

But what are they there to learn, apart from "Whitey is a racist"?

Ned
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Frost · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

I don't care what culture people purportedly come from! I don't care what
ancestry people have! If it is education, then I just hope that the person
doing the teaching knows what they are doing and have the students'
interests at heart. If it is any other job, then all I hope is that the
person best suited for the position is selected, this does not mean that
they have to be a certain religion, race, ancestry or anything else, they
just need to have the best qualifications, knowledge and experience! Does
this happen ? I think not!

"Ned Latham" wrote in message@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> Garth Foster wrote in :
> >
> > We've known for years that ATSIC was a sheltered workshop - there
> > recruitment ads generally including the code criterion "knowledge of
> > and experience with aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture"
> > which means the job is only open to members of particular races. Now
> > this concept is being extended to the ACT public service.
> >
> > Check out the ad in Canberra Times 14 Feb 04 for a person to work in
> > Curriculum & Assessment, Indigenous Education. The position is
> > designated "Indigenous identified". This apparently means that to get
> > the job (a) you have to be an Aborigine and (b) you dont need the
> > usual quals ("Certificate IV"). Possession of this certificate is
> > essential. Xcept that if the Indigenous applicant hasnt actually
> > attained the "Certificate IV" then thats ok - "progression towards it"
> > will be accepted. If no such progress has been made, then thats ok too
> > - "preparedness to enrol in" the necessary course will be considered
> > sufficient in place of actually completing the course successfully.
> >
> > Fine for the Indigenous job seeker. But what about the Indigenous
> > students whose education is being overseen by people whose only
> > qualification is that they are of a particular race?
>
> But what are they there to learn, apart from "Whitey is a racist"?
>
> Ned
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Ben Perry · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

La de dah wrote in message news:...
> In article ,
> "Wally" wrote:
>
> > What have you got against Sri Lankans?
>
> Nothing. Ditto re Japanese. Try reading my question again - I'm asking
> whether Garth would be happy with oversight of his children's education
> by people only from a culture significantly different from than his own.
>
> La la la

So if Garth finds his primary school child's class happens to be
placed under the care of an aboriginal teacher you reckon he should
complain to the school?

Your a racist.

E. · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

Ben Perry wrote:

> La de dah wrote in message news:...
>
>>In article ,
>> "Wally" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What have you got against Sri Lankans?
>>
>>Nothing. Ditto re Japanese. Try reading my question again - I'm asking
>>whether Garth would be happy with oversight of his children's education
>>by people only from a culture significantly different from than his own.
>>
>>La la la
>
>
> So if Garth finds his primary school child's class happens to be
> placed under the care of an aboriginal teacher you reckon he should
> complain to the school?
>
> Your a racist.

That "whoosh" noise was Lah De Dah's point going over head.
E.

Arthur Brain · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"E." wrote in message news:...
> Ben Perry wrote:
>
> > La de dah wrote in message news:...

> >>
> >>Nothing. Ditto re Japanese. Try reading my question again - I'm asking
> >>whether Garth would be happy with oversight of his children's education
> >>by people only from a culture significantly different from than his own.
> >>
> >>La la la
> >
> >
> > So if Garth finds his primary school child's class happens to be
> > placed under the care of an aboriginal teacher you reckon he should
> > complain to the school?
> >
> > Your a racist.
>
> That "whoosh" noise was Lah De Dah's point going over head.
> E.

er, no, on the contrary : Ben has La de da cornered in a state of
complete hypocrisy.

When I consider my children's education, I care about its quality, not
the race of those who provide it.

By definition, this job is being advertised with the explicit message
"we'll lower our standards to accept an aboriginal applicant", which
is completely unacceptable.
Although pretty standard fare from as corrupt an organisation as
ATSIC.

PREDICTIONS:
Job will be filled by a relative of somebody who already works there.
They will be about as black as Geoff Clark.
They will already have benefited from a very generous housing grant of
some sort.

Let's face it, when has ATSIC actually done anything to help improve
the living standards of any aboriginals other than the urban
middle-classes?